Posted on 09/23/2014 6:50:30 AM PDT by Rashputin
The barley determining the month, as I have described, is according to Torah.
When Jerusalem fell, the Jews could no longer reach Jerusalem - they could not determine the Holy days according to Torah. So the rabbis came up with what the Jews do now, which is a calculated sun/moon thing... That is how they can predict the months, But that is not what Torah says to do. And several sects of Judaism, to include the Karaites and Messianics, are returning to YHWH's calendar, according to the barley...
I couldn't care less what the Roman calendar has to say.
Shabbat Shalom.
>> “So, if somebody can calculate that far out so calendars can be printed, how on earth can the crop be the determining factor?” <<
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Only to his elect!
To the rest of you pagan sun god worshipers, use any fake method you wish, since for you it matters not.
Only those that truly seek his rest will care enough to follow his word.
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>> “It is after all partly how easter is determined on the same calendar: The first Sunday after the first full moon, after the spring equinox.” <<
Since Easter is a day of the sun god worshipers, and an abomination to Yehova, and his elect, Why would we care?
Sun god worshipers have many traditions that are of no consequence to the Bride of Yeshua.
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>> “I asked about what crop was grown in the wilderness that they could possibly determine a beginning of the year and you gave us wheatgrass.” <<
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False and false.
You attempted to sarcastically dismiss the commandments in Torah that define his year, and thus his feasts, with an irreverent and facetious comment about eating barley instead of Manna.
No cigar.
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>> “What is interesting is what to do with Purim - IIRC. Purim is to be celebrated in Adar Bet if it exists, which suggests that the Jews had formalized their calendar away from Torah fairly early on, for they would have passed Purim if they waited for the new moon to determine the barley and declare Adar Bet accordingly... Go figger.” <<
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The “Wormwood” people, such as Tim McHyde, ( http://www.escapeallthesethings.com/ ) have another answer for that.
They postulate that the original year was exactly 360 days. thus no “Adar Bet” was needed, until the Earth’s orbit was perturbed by another “passing planet,” creating the present conditions.
You never answered when you observed passover..
I am curious..
I am also curious when you observed first fruits..
His Sabbath will be on the pope Gregory Friya goddess day coming up and both Saturn’s day and Sun’s day are work days.. His Day of the New Moon was a goddess Friya day for this new month.
The evil Muslims will actually stumble into it with their Friday prayers this month.
Sad commentary for His people..
But scripture is not followed and the pope’s calendar is..
On our Heavenly Father’s calendar, today is the 4th day of month, the 3rd day of His week..
The English speaking world has it as the moon’s day..
That roman calendar may have a far greater grip than people admit..
Happy Moon day!
Praise Yah we can read and know and commemorate what He created on His third day or any numbered day on His calendar.
But it seems the world of believers prefers the pope’s system..
It does make like easier to live by the world’s rules.
Torah is being ignored for the pope’s calendar..
That is just a fact that you can’t grasp. It isn’t because you are not sincere.. it is just that the pope’s calendar trumps the calendar in scripture for Jew/christian, etc...
It is shown perfectly in the pope Gregory April feasts that you celebrated and shown perfectly in the fall this year with the beginning of your 7th month occurring before His month ends- it is being calculated so yom Kippur can land on a pope approved sabbath and not a day later, which would be the accurate 10th day if the template of Ezekiel 46 and other places is followed-
The new moon was spotted on Thor’s day, September 25..
That would mean that the next day, Friya goddess day would be the first day of the new month.
If one counts from there, the 9th at evening actually begins just as the pope approved sabbath day of Saturn’s day ends.
It would mean that as Israel is winding down their day of atonement, on His calendar, it is just beginning.
And another tidbit is as the day of atonement is starting for Israel on that goddess Friya day, His weekly sabbath is ending..
So because of the Pope Gregory calendar, His weekly Sabbath is used this month as a preparation day and work day and His day of atonement is actually falling on a day normally reserved for Christians to worship- sun’s day.. and I suspect that may not be a ‘business’ work day for people who observe Saturn’s day normally, but it may be a casual day with little worship..
Praise Yah for His mercy and grace and his loving kindness that endures forever!
I don’t expect people enslaved to the pope’s system to see it..
Just knowing it is happening is a blessing that I couldn’t see two years ago..
But when He sets us free, we should be free indeed..
I would hardly consider a life consumed by new moons, sabbaths, festivals, hold days, etc. etc as being “ set free “ . Looks like old time bondage to the law to me.
>> “Torah is being ignored for the pope’s calendar..
That is just a fact that you can’t grasp.” <<
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Did you ride the short bus?
Who cares about any pope’s anything?
As Paul said, idols are nothing.
Where do you get all the garbage that you concentrate on?
Stick with the word of God!
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Passover has always been the 14th day of the month of the Aviv.
The beginning of unleavened bread is the next day.
First Fruits is always the “first day of the week” that follows Passover. First Fruits is always on the first day of the week.
These things are set out clearly in Torah; what is your problem?
Stick with the word of God!
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ironic, an argument over new moons, Sabbaths, holy days, festivals......... all types and shadows, the reality is Christ.
what an insult to worry about these!
Yeshua said in Revelation 3 that for those that will not keep his times and sabbaths, he would come as a thief and they would lose all.
Without those “types and shadows, what can you know?
Absolutely nothing!
They are for our education, and awareness, and preparation. (until “we know as we are known”)
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what verse(s) say that?
Set free from the world’s system..
Those new moons, sabbaths and feasts were just major events of the Messiah’s life. They are rather important in scripture.. and they are shadows of what came and what is coming.. His second return and the Kingdom. And watching for Him isn’t a bad idea. I call it a blessing and a ‘want to’, not a ‘have to’..
But December 25 good Friday and easter Sunday are holy to most today..
Freedom from the conformity of the world is an amazing place to be.
But the pope and papacy has their authority and people dont mind following their system..
thing is, that authority isn’t mandated by the edge of a sword. It is as subtle as it is..
There is already a one world system- just not the same way preachers have thought about.. and the major governments including the UN, business world and the major religions have no problem with it.. all unified under something named for some religious figure named a pope.
Most of those first reformers called the papacy the spirit of the ‘instead of’ messiah- today the reformers are observing the papacy’s holy days..
Today is Tiw’sday.. some god nobody really knows about on the pope’s calendar getting pub. Not a holy day, but certainly not scriptural.
on our Heavenly Father’s calendar, its the fourth day..
You tell me who’s free... enjoy your Tiw’s day!
And what pope Gregory days were passover and first fruits was observed by you this year?
If you would tell me what day you observed passover and first fruits on your pope Gregory calendar, I will show you why the Word is being trumped. But you can certainly go on ignoring that request and hurl insults.. that is a far better work of the flesh.
If you can’t or wont tell me what day you observed passover and first fruits on your pope gregory calendar, I won’t press it...
The pope gregory calendar- never thought it was so sacred a thing..
One can read all 27 books in the NT and you will not find anyone worried about new moons and the calendar.
One can read all the Church Fathers and secular historians and you will not find any Christians worried about new moons and keeping the old Jewish feast days.
Why would anyone observe Passover when Jesus Christ gives us His Body in the Eucharist?
False teachers will arise and fool many.....
Not willing to defend Revelation 3 teaching keeping the Sabbath?
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