Posted on 09/13/2014 10:57:00 AM PDT by Salvation
But then they wouldn't have anything to stand on. I have noticed that they seldom if ever post or use the official positions of any of the Protestant denominations but only use their misrepresentations or what they would like to portray Protestants to believe. (CynicalBear)
Ah, begging your pardon, but I think each of you may be a little off base. In truth, every Christian denomination or independent church is organized with a written statement of faith, chiefly because anyone that intends to get involved with them needs to have a precise statement of what they believe (including they themselves in passage of time). That is never hard to find out.
Here is a fairly typical one:
Doctrinal Statement of Victory Baptist Church, New Lenox, IL (click here)
(And, by the way, Baptists have been around way before the Roman Catholic denomination was contrived. The church at Jerusalem were all Baptists, practicing immersion of the confessed and repentant believer on the basis of remitted sins and a new birth in Christ, into membership. The doctrine of the Apostles was essentially what you see in the above Statement, save church polity.)
Would you reword that? It made no sense.
Why do you say that I don’t think the death of Jesus is enough to save someone?
The grace is poured out on us whether we accept the grace or not.
The gift of salvation is what is accepted or rejected, not the grace.
In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Grace, Faith, and Works, cynicalbear and metmom wrote:
I have noticed that they seldom if ever post or use the official positions of any of the Protestant denominations but only use their misrepresentations or what they would like to portray Protestants to believe.
OK, which denomination do you both accept as the “One True Church” and where is the website that has the “official positions” of that [particular sect?
http://reformation.com/CSA/baptistsabuse.html
Tinley Park, IL. For the second time in two weeks, a Baptist pastor from New Lenox has been charged with molesting a child — and prosecutors said they are looking for more victims. Dennis Larry Shaw, 53, of the 2100 block of Sanford Drive, New Lenox, was charged Monday with aggravated criminal sexual abuse of a 16-year-old girl, according to the Will County state’s attorney’s office. On Jan. 31, Shaw was arrested on similar charges after a parishioner’s 12-year-old daughter alleged she was fondled by the pastor inside the church between October and December, prosecutors said. (Daily Southtown, February 11, 2003)
Minister again charged with molestation
One’s own personal interpretation of Scripture is fine if it is precisely what the Holy Ghost wanted you to carry away from it. It will be interpreted literally and/or figurative-literally, and not metaphorically.
The issue is - if you can fully and faithfully interpret Scripture, why did Our Lord appoint men to that for us after He Ascended into Heaven? And why are there so many conflicting dogmas in the schismatic and often heretical separated congregations?
If only the “Free Baptists” allowed for a married clergy, tragedies like this....
//sarcasm off//
We know you are.
There’s nothing new under the sun.
Jesus establishes us by Paul's gospel...The gospel Jesus revealed to the apostle Paul...
Act_20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
And Paul's gospel given by Jesus Christ is the gospel of the grace of God...Pretty simple, eh???
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
And here's Paul's gospel given by Jesus Christ to the Gentile church...
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
No works...Nada, nein, ne, la, none...Absolutely NOTHING of yourselves...
Can you find things in the bible that say works are required along with faith for salvation??? If you do, it is not the gospel of the grace of God given to Paul by Jesus for the Gentile church...You've got the wrong gospel for the wrong people...
Rom_1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Gal_1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
There you go Catholics...
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
If you are preaching or teaching the CHURCH any other gospel than the gospel by grace thru faith without any conceivable works, you are accursed...It doesn't matter if you can find another gospel in James or one in Matthew, THIS is the one that must be preached...
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
It is so important Jesus had Paul repeat it for the second time...
Those that teach these false gospels are in a heap of trouble...The ditch you are going to fall into is not a regular ditch...It's an eternal ditch...
Luk_6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
If you want to know the Faith they subscribe to, read the document.
It's called scripture or more comonly the Bible. It can be found online, in most bookstores, and contains the entirety of my beliefs.
The issue isn’t about whether other denominations HAVE a statement of faith.
What the comment was that Catholic critics of Protestantism never use them the way they use the worn out old canards that are passed around Catholicism like the urban legends that they are.
What Catholics state are nothing more than misrepresentations of Evangelical or Protestant positions and strawmen they construct about non-Catholic belief, not actual positions that those denominations hold based on their statements of faith.
No denomination is the *one true church*.
There is nothing in Scripture that states that the *one true church* is located or headquartered anywhere.
The church is the body of Christ, comprised of all born again believers throughout the church age, where ever they live and where ever they worship.
The church is an organism not an organization.
I think you missed the meaning of my post. It’s Catholics who post conjecture of what Protestants believe rather than post the actual beliefs from sites you just mentioned. It was not that those beliefs of Protestant denominations are not available.
Neither do you - unless you think a person who rejects Jesus as his Savior is nonetheless saved.
Why do you say that I don’t think the death of Jesus is enough to save someone?
Do you think a person who rejects Jesus as his Savior is nonetheless saved? If not, then His death is not enough to save that person.
The grace is poured out on us whether we accept the grace or not.
The gift of salvation is what is accepted or rejected, not the grace.
Your phrase "whether we accept the grace or not" clearly states that we can accepted or reject grace. Get back to me when you make up your mind.
metmom wrote: “No denomination is the *one true church*.”
CynicalBear wrote: “It’s called scripture or more comonly the Bible.”
In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Grace, Faith, and Works, cynicalbear and metmom wrote:
I have noticed that they seldom if ever post or use the official positions of any of the Protestant denominations but only use their misrepresentations or what they would like to portray Protestants to believe.
Odd - you want people to “post or use the official positions of any of the Protestant denominations” but you claim that such things do not exist?
How do you get away with such odd claims?
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