Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"

Charisma News ^ | 9/5/2014 | Jennifer LeClaire

[Jan_Sobieski]

Pope Francis has been a breath of fresh air for many Catholics seeking greater liberty and a growing concern for conservative Christians who take issue with his comments about homosexuality and other cultural issues.

But the pontiff's latest statement is sparking an uproar from believers around the world. Pope Francis sent a tweet Tuesday that absolutely violates the truth of Scripture:

"The Christian who does not feel that the Virgin Mary is his or her mother is an orphan," Pope Francis tweeted.

As of the time I wrote this column it had been retweeted about 4,000 times and many of the responses were in appropriately unkind. It's not appropriate to attack the pope for his beliefs. It's more appropriate to share the truth...

[Elsie]

House of virgin mary?

The poor woman was married for at LEAST 12 years after Jesus' birth and STILL Jospeh did NOT consummate the marriage?

Really???

[Elsie]

You’re treading in narses territory here...

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

-— Purty good fer someone NOT ‘devine’! -—

So what are the limitations of our glorified nature in heaven?

Is God limited in what gifts He can give us?

How does heavenly time relate to earthly time?

“Eye has not seen, ear has not heard...”

[Elsie]

...the reasons non-Catholic Christians are not loving Mary, and honoring her, for saying "yes," as the Catholics do, is because they'd then be led to be Catholics themselves...

[Elsie]

It is said Mary lived here.

Lots of things are 'said' about Mary.

[Elsie]

No.

(Ain't it convenient?)

[Elsie]

Disrespect shown to Mary is a VERY RECENT development within Christianity.

Sorry; but ANY 'disrespect' is shown to Catholic teachings about the role Mary plays in today's world.

It is ZERO.

[Elsie]

“Eye has not seen, ear has not heard...”

Sure does NOT slow down Rome in it's imaginings of what is going on there!

[Elsie]

Mary is dead: just like every other person who has 'died in Christ'.

Leave her alone until that trumpet sounds.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

-— The poor woman was married for at LEAST 12 years after Jesus’ birth and STILL Jospeh did NOT consummate the marriage?

Really???-—

When told that she was to give birth to a child, she didn’t reply, “That wouldn’t be surprising, since I am young and will soon be married.”

What does the Bible record her as saying?

Other early documents and Tradition confirm her perpetual virginity.

Protoevangelium of James 4, 7 [A.D. 120]

“And when she was twelve years old there was held a council of priests, saying, ‘Behold, Mary has reached the age of twelve years in the temple of the Lord. What then shall we do with her, lest perchance she defile the sanctuary of the Lord?’ And they said to the high priest, ‘You stand by the altar of the Lord; go in and pray concerning her, and whatever the Lord shall manifest to you, that also will we do.’ . . . [A]nd he prayed concerning her, and behold, an angel of the Lord stood by him saying, ‘Zechariah! Zechariah! Go out and assemble the widowers of the people and let them bring each his rod, and to whomsoever the Lord shall show a sign, his wife shall she be. . . . And Joseph [was chosen]. . . . And the priest said to Joseph, ‘You have been chosen by lot to take into your keeping the Virgin of the Lord.’ But Joseph refused, saying, ‘I have children, and I am an old man, and she is a young girl’”...

Finally, it is fitting that the womb that bore Christ did not bear other children. (The Ark of the Covenant was a type for Mary).

[Elsie]

Other early documents and Tradition confirm her perpetual virginity.

Your document 'confirms' NOTHING!

[Elsie]

Finally, it is fitting that the womb that bore Christ did not bear other children.

FITTING?

How arrogant!

[Jan_Sobieski]

Mary is the Mother of Christ, not the Mother of God (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). God the Father prepared a body for his Son, sending him through Mary. She is blessed. She is the second Eve. However she was a sinner like the rest of us (as her prayer admits).

[Jan_Sobieski]

Sorry, she had many children (boys and girls) after Jesus (James, Jude, etc.)

[Jan_Sobieski]

Your creating a straw man of my argument. Mary is very important. Her faith has inspired all true believers in Christ. Her simple faith is the faith I want my daughters to have.

However even Mary needed to be saved by the son she bore. She is not my mother, but she is a faithful saint that all of us emulate.

[Bayard]

Christ and God the second person of the trinity are not separate persons. They are one person. Salvation depends on it.

[CynicalBear]

>>Interestingly at the main gate they have some full blown syncretism on full display at the gift shop. Mary and Turkish nazars for sale! Nazars protect the owner from evil eyes.<<≤p> God warns over and over in scripture not to mix pagan beliefs, practices, or symbols in worship of Him. Yet Catholicism includes paganism at every level.

[kinsman redeemer]

Other early documents and Tradition confirm her perpetual virginity.

...and so?

Are there other "early" documents that you also adhere to?

Is THIS one?

Papal Condemnation (Sentence) of Galileo
(June 22, 1633)

I'll assume not.

Now, you explain this:
Καὶ ἐξῆλθεν ἐκεῖθεν, καὶ a ἔρχεται εἰς τὴν πατρίδα αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἀκολουθοῦσιν αὐτῷ οἱ μαθηταὶ αὐτοῦ. καὶ γενομένου σαββάτου ἤρξατο [ διδάσκειν ἐν τῇ συναγωγῇ] · καὶ a οἱ πολλοὶ ἀκούοντες ἐξεπλήσσοντο λέγοντες· Πόθεν τούτῳ ταῦτα, καὶ τίς ἡ σοφία ἡ δοθεῖσα b τούτῳ, καὶ c αἱ δυνάμεις τοιαῦται διὰ τῶν χειρῶν αὐτοῦ d γινόμεναι; οὐχ οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ τέκτων, ὁ υἱὸς a τῆς Μαρίας [ καὶ ἀδελφὸς] Ἰακώβου καὶ b Ἰωσῆτος καὶ Ἰούδα καὶ Σίμωνος; καὶ οὐκ εἰσὶν αἱ ἀδελφαὶ αὐτοῦ ὧδε πρὸς ἡμᾶς; καὶ ἐσκανδαλίζοντο ἐν αὐτῷ. (Mark 6:1-3)

The use of the words: adelphos and adelphē are IMPORTANT because of the CONTEXT. Even though the words can have different meanings, here they mean "siblings". You must interpret scripture with scripture. Otherwise, your hermeneutics is flawed. (2 Tim 2:15)
Here is the ESV:
He went away from there and came to his hometown, and his disciples followed him. And on the Sabbath he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were astonished, saying, "Where did this man get these things? What is the wisdom given to him? How are such mighty works done by his hands? Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?" And they took offense at him.

You really need to READ and STUDY (the Bible) more than you LISTEN (to fables.) Otherwise, you are on a path to destruction. You can't serve two masters. This is true for you, me, and everyone else here.

[Salvation]

Perhaps you have not read these Protestants statements:

Martin Luther's Devotion to Mary
Essays for Lent: Mary Ever-Virgin
Why is the perpetual virginity of Mary so important to Catholics? [Ecumenical Vanity]
Is the Perpetual Virginity of Mary a Biblical View?
Aeiparthenos (An Anglo-Catholic Priest on Mary's Perpetual Virginity)
The Heõs Hou polemic is over: Radio Debate Matatics VS White & Svendsen on Perpetual Virginity Mary
The Early Church Fathers on Mary’s Perpetual Virginity - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Heõs Hou polemic is over: Radio Debate Matatics VS White & Svendsen on Perpetual Virginity Mary
Luther, Calvin, and Other Early Protestants on the Perpetual Virginity of Mary
Luther, Calvin, and Other Early Protestants on the Perpetual Virginity of Mary

[Gamecock]

Includes?

They embrace such!