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Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"
Charisma News ^ | 9/5/2014 | Jennifer LeClaire

Posted on 09/11/2014 11:19:06 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski

Pope Francis has been a breath of fresh air for many Catholics seeking greater liberty and a growing concern for conservative Christians who take issue with his comments about homosexuality and other cultural issues.

But the pontiff's latest statement is sparking an uproar from believers around the world. Pope Francis sent a tweet Tuesday that absolutely violates the truth of Scripture:

"The Christian who does not feel that the Virgin Mary is his or her mother is an orphan," Pope Francis tweeted.

As of the time I wrote this column it had been retweeted about 4,000 times and many of the responses were in appropriately unkind. It's not appropriate to attack the pope for his beliefs. It's more appropriate to share the truth...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Ecumenism; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; bigotry; catholic; mary; pope; popefrancis
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To: Cicero
>>On the contrary, you call Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle pagans,<<

Please show where I did that. Oh, when you go back to that post you may want to pay close attention at the end where that statement came from and who made it.

1,321 posted on 09/24/2014 6:19:48 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: metmom
It’s a shame that some people’s faith is so weak that they have to have stuff to see and touch and taste and eat to feel like they’re close to God.

Protestantism: the perfect faith for the "master faithful". Here's to hoping that they will soon transcend their own humanity. How gnostic.

No wonder we live in a culture that says kill the less than perfect in the womb. Thanks protestants!

1,322 posted on 09/24/2014 6:20:20 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: metmom; JPX2011
>>It’s a shame that some people’s faith is so weak that they have to have stuff to see and touch and taste and eat to feel like they’re close to God.<<

Matthew 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign;

1,323 posted on 09/24/2014 6:26:57 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
That really must tax your patience.

Not at all. I have the patience of a saint when dealing with the ignorant. I noticed that is a quality not shared amongst protestants, however. They always seem quick with the sarcastic wit which is ultimately an expression of contempt for those they deem beneath them. Ultimately it demonstrates the secular nature of protestant thought and belief, which can be ascribed to the demonic.

1,324 posted on 09/24/2014 6:28:08 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

You know I feel incredibly sad for these people following a fake religion. Jesus is the answer in the world today. Need to look up the rest of that song. I keep forgetting to get the album of pictures my late daughter took of all those bones piled up. She died in 2004 but maybe she wrote where they were taken.


1,325 posted on 09/24/2014 6:28:09 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: JPX2011; metmom

No wonder we live in a culture that says kill the less than perfect in the womb. Thanks protestants!


You really ought to thank the Catholic Convents who support infantcide. By the way, isn’t Nancy Pelosi one of yours?

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-abortion-spanish-nun-criticizes-spains-new-abortion-restrictions#./pro-abortion-spanish-nun-criticizes-spains-new-abortion-restrictions?&_suid=1411608365151010754569354616034

“She explained she believes that in times of social crisis, ‘The maternal figure rises up as the one who will resolve the issue and the one who should be controlled as a sort of collective exorcism, because they are the scapegoats’.”

You Catholics are obsessed with your “maternal figures.”


1,326 posted on 09/24/2014 6:28:38 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: metmom
"Matthew 22:36-40 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” That leaves room for no one else. If Mary is in the equation, then the greatest commandment has been broken."

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Do you believe God gave us the "Ten Commandments", including the one that says, "Honor thy father and thy mother..."

If so, do you believe we should obey that commandment from God?

Also, do you believe that a loving mother can love all her children, or does she have to stop loving all the others when she loves one of them?

1,327 posted on 09/24/2014 6:29:34 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
>>I want a bear on a unicycle. Is that really too much to ask for?<<

He's too cynical to think he can ride that thing. :-)

1,328 posted on 09/24/2014 6:30:10 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: narses

Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God,


1,329 posted on 09/24/2014 6:32:26 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: JPX2011

Ultimately it demonstrates the secular nature of protestant thought and belief, which can be ascribed to the demonic.


Goddess worship is part of your “demonic” realm.

My focus is on Christ. You refuse to comment on the mary fixation. You never answer whether you can have salvation without mary.

Just post these words “I have salvation through Jesus and Mary is not necessary.” Then I’ll concede.

Am I asking too much; would that compromise the object of your faith?


1,330 posted on 09/24/2014 6:32:28 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
You really ought to thank the Catholic Convents who support infantcide. By the way, isn’t Nancy Pelosi one of yours?

LOL, you know I have to laugh whenever a protestants brings up a Catholic political figure as some sort of exception that disproves the rule or anyone else for the matter. It's the protestant equivalent of holding up a crucifix to ward of vampires. It has that childish quality to it.

In actuality what it does do is say more about them than it does the Catholic faith. It highlights the inherent nationalism that is tied into protestant belief. I mean I know we're on a predominantly political website, but we are having a religious conversation. Makes one wonder if there is a Jesus outside of the United States of America.

1,331 posted on 09/24/2014 6:34:14 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011

My Protestant friends are just as pro-life as you are. My nephew was born with a birth defect and a cousin’s daughter is a Down’s child. Both are wonderful people today. God made them the way they are and they have brought much love and happiness to our family. Dale Evans helped with bringing Down’s babies to the country’s attention way back in the 1950’s. When Robin was born, some drs said babies like her should be gunned down and they were kept hidden away.


1,332 posted on 09/24/2014 6:35:42 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Wow! A Catholic nun promoting abortion? Just wow!


1,333 posted on 09/24/2014 6:36:49 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: JPX2011

Reply to my 1330. Can you do it?

Everybody is watching.


1,334 posted on 09/24/2014 6:37:30 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: CynicalBear; JPX2011

Wow! A Catholic nun promoting abortion? Just wow!


Yeah, they don’t like to talk about that. I recall a priest and some nuns cutting themselves and bleeding on missile silos in Wyoming.

There are a lot of crazy-liberal catholics.


1,335 posted on 09/24/2014 6:39:31 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: JPX2011; CynicalBear; metmom

Come on buddy,

Just say “mary is not necessary for my salvation; Jesus alone is sufficient.”

You say your faith rests on Jesus so this shouldn’t be difficult.

It all boils down to what you really believe.


1,336 posted on 09/24/2014 6:41:36 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: CynicalBear; metmom

How sad.


1,337 posted on 09/24/2014 6:42:27 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Heart-Rest; metmom
>>If so, do you believe we should obey that commandment from God?<<

You mean like this one?

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them,

1,338 posted on 09/24/2014 6:42:52 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: JPX2011; CynicalBear; metmom

You should at least defend your faith. Can’t you even do that? Martyrs die for their beliefs. Won’t you simply state your arguement?

I’ll answer if you challenge my commitment to Jesus. Isn’t your mary worthy?


1,339 posted on 09/24/2014 6:45:10 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Goddess worship is part of your “demonic” realm.

You have to prove its goddess worship first. Like I said earlier, correlation does not equal causation. Why should I take anything a protestant says seriously when they engage in such a fundamental error of logic.

When a protestant conflates what a thing looks like to what a thing is then they have absolutely no credibility.

My focus is on Christ. You refuse to comment on the mary fixation. You never answer whether you can have salvation without mary.

Fixation is a term based solely on a characterization of your own determination. What authority has deemed it a fixation other than yourself? Belief for a protestant is like watching DirecTV. There's 500 channels and if you don't like something you simply switch the channel.

Just post these words “I have salvation through Jesus and Mary is not necessary.” Then I’ll concede

You should just concede anyway. Mary was necessary. Her Yes to God echoes throughout eternity. She chose, of her own free will to become the Mother of God and bring our Savior into the world. As such she is the Co-redemptrix and the Mediatrix.These are not difficult concepts and should be believed by all.

1,340 posted on 09/24/2014 6:45:20 PM PDT by JPX2011
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