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Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"
Charisma News ^ | 9/5/2014 | Jennifer LeClaire

Posted on 09/11/2014 11:19:06 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski

Pope Francis has been a breath of fresh air for many Catholics seeking greater liberty and a growing concern for conservative Christians who take issue with his comments about homosexuality and other cultural issues.

But the pontiff's latest statement is sparking an uproar from believers around the world. Pope Francis sent a tweet Tuesday that absolutely violates the truth of Scripture:

"The Christian who does not feel that the Virgin Mary is his or her mother is an orphan," Pope Francis tweeted.

As of the time I wrote this column it had been retweeted about 4,000 times and many of the responses were in appropriately unkind. It's not appropriate to attack the pope for his beliefs. It's more appropriate to share the truth...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Ecumenism; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; bigotry; catholic; mary; pope; popefrancis
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To: MamaB

“Just about every day, there is a thread about that.”

Never one. Not in the history of FR.


1,241 posted on 09/24/2014 4:11:18 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: metmom

“If you consecrate yourself to someone, it is to the exclusion of others. If it’s to Mary, it’s not to God. If it’s to God, it’s not to Mary”

Ah, a simple error of fact.

Just as a sorrow shared is a sorrow halved, but a joy shared is a joy doubled, consecration to Mary has the result of strengthening one’s love for God.

Stop looking on the dark side of everything.


1,242 posted on 09/24/2014 4:25:20 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: CynicalBear

“Was that response the extent of your theological acumen?”

In the same way that your view of Christianity is the extent of Christianity.


1,243 posted on 09/24/2014 4:26:54 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: MamaB

“It is true.”

It is hogwash.

“Real Christians pray to Jesus not someone who is dead.”

Jesus tells us that souls do not die.

“Why don’t y’all believe the Bible?”

We do. Even the parts you have senselessly rejected. However, we are not silly enough to think that God has given us nothing else.


1,245 posted on 09/24/2014 4:29:40 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: CynicalBear; narses

Are you saying that Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle wrote nothing that was true, or of interest, and therefore we should keep our distance from them and not read them?

What matters is whether what they have to say is true or false.

No one is saying that everything the Greek philosophers said must be accepted. But they said much that was true, and has been exceedingly fruitful to Western civilization over the centuries.

The Catholic Church believes in a rational God—unlike the Muslims, whose Allah is totally arbitrary and unpredictable.


1,246 posted on 09/24/2014 4:30:09 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MamaB

Catholics cannot seem to understand that it’s not His dying (present tense) which saves us but His death (past tense), so the *sacrifice of the mass*, which they claim is participation in the dying/death of Jesus, where He is in heaven being eternally slain, is an abomination at worst and at best useless.


1,247 posted on 09/24/2014 4:30:44 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: dsc
He said it was the first commandment. He didn’t say it was the first of two. A person would have to be a drooling moron to think that God left us only two instructions.

Wrong. He said it was the GREATEST commandment, not the first.

And I never said that there were only two. That's reading way more into my post than what I said.

1,248 posted on 09/24/2014 4:34:07 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: dsc
Just as a sorrow shared is a sorrow halved, but a joy shared is a joy doubled, consecration to Mary has the result of strengthening one’s love for God.

Talk about bilgewater.....

We are to be set apart for God and to God and NO ONE ELSE.

To do so is idolatry.

If Catholicism is so tied to Mary, then it's not about Jesus. And that also is idolatry.

If Mary had played such a pivotal role in salvation, God would have told us in Scripture, and He didn't. All that extraneous stuff that Catholicism loves to add on about Mary is NOWHERE mentioned in Scripture by the Holy Spirit.

Mary fulfilled the role God had for her when she, as a virgin, gave birth to Jesus. That was ALL she had to do to fulfill prophecy and once that was done, there is nothing about her life that had or has any bearing on Jesus bringing salvation to the world, or the Holy Spirit working our salvation out in us.

Mary has no power to do what is God's work alone and to claim that she does diminished the work of God and exalts her beyond what ought to be for a human being.

God will share His glory with no other.

1,249 posted on 09/24/2014 4:41:04 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: CynicalBear
Satan would not like that we point out that the Catholic Church by it's own admission includes paganism.

Correlation does not equal causation. The greatest fundamental flaw in the whole Catholicism is pagan argument.

Satan would not like that we point out Catholic contradictions with scripture.

Catholicism does not contradict Scripture. That is just the most incessant of Protestant lies. They have to assume they have a monopoly on scriptural interpretation because the moment they don't then the whole house of cards collapses in on itself. What is in contradiction is protestants misperception of what they think Sacred Scripture says according to the dictates of their own internal processes. Which is inevitably biased towards the individual protestants personal preferences.

Hence that is why protestantism is from Satan for it elevates the individual to such heights as to be reasonably considered as self-deification. Completely against God's commandment to have no other gods before Him. Of course the protestant doesn't see it that way. They'll say its about Jesus, but it's only on their terms.

1,250 posted on 09/24/2014 4:50:12 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: metmom

1,251 posted on 09/24/2014 4:58:19 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: MamaB
They know that but keep denying it.

Just as protestants keep denying that they don't put themselves before Jesus and yet we see it time and again whenever they've concoted some new interpretation to Sacred Scripture to tickle some particular fancy of theirs. The whole, "That speaks to my heart" phenomenon and their entire scriptural interpretative bent is radically altered to coincide with their latest emotion.

What would they have left if all the pagan stuff was gotten rid of?

We always have Jesus. First and foremost in the Eucharist. You would do well to remember that. We will have Jesus with us until the end of the world. But a protestant would never let that get int the way of a good anti-Catholic narrative.

1,253 posted on 09/24/2014 5:00:13 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: narses

I won!!!

I got a cereal box!!!

Is there a prize in it like Cracker Jacks?

BTW, thanks for the confirmation that I made my point and made it well.


1,254 posted on 09/24/2014 5:01:28 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

Feels good to get that coveted lucky charm, doesn’t it!

You know you hit the poo spot when the graphics pop up.
.


1,255 posted on 09/24/2014 5:03:50 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: JPX2011

>> “We always have Jesus. First and foremost in the Eucharist. You would do well to remember that.” <<

.
Bout as good as the plastic idol on your dashboard, huh?
.


1,256 posted on 09/24/2014 5:06:16 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: metmom

“Catholics cannot seem to understand that it’s not His dying (present tense) which saves us but His death (past tense), so the *sacrifice of the mass*, which they claim is participation in the dying/death of Jesus, where He is in heaven being eternally slain, is an abomination at worst and at best useless.”

I am always amazed at the misunderstanding of the Catholic Mass by people who don’t know what they are talking about, but the above statement is beyond stupid. Christ died ONCE, on the Cross. Catholics are reminded of it at each Mass. Catholics are NOT told Christ died every day since.

Try going to a Catholic Mass and learn something before you criticize. Or, are you afraid you might learn something?


1,257 posted on 09/24/2014 5:06:18 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM HEAVEN WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: metmom

Yeah. You did great. So proud of you! I remember those prizes.


1,258 posted on 09/24/2014 5:06:42 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: JPX2011

Bless your little heart!


1,259 posted on 09/24/2014 5:08:01 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: CynicalBear
That's just one of many statements where they admit inclusion of paganism.

What? You don't believe in sanctification? You don't believe Jesus when he said He makes all things new? Is a protestant the same person when they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior? Or perhaps they are a changed person?

1,260 posted on 09/24/2014 5:09:27 PM PDT by JPX2011
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