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Posted on 08/19/2014 2:56:45 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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posted on
08/19/2014 2:57:56 PM PDT
by
Graybeard58
( A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. Eccl 10,v 19)
To: Graybeard58
Only Christ has the power to free man (and woman) from the power of sin.
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posted on
08/19/2014 3:06:27 PM PDT
by
BenLurkin
(This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
To: Graybeard58
There’s an old saying - the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.
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posted on
08/19/2014 3:07:49 PM PDT
by
ifinnegan
To: Graybeard58
That we are to strive to keep God’s law spiritually and physically. However, our carnality fights against our spirituality and we need the spirit of Christ to subdue our carnality.
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posted on
08/19/2014 3:08:31 PM PDT
by
DouglasKC
To: Graybeard58
Man has a propensity to sin.The law of our flesh can overcome our desire to obey God’s laws; i.e. extreme hunger can tempt one to steal.
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posted on
08/19/2014 3:11:12 PM PDT
by
AEMILIUS PAULUS
(It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
To: DouglasKC
In the last verse, Paul seems to be thanking God, that in his flesh, he serves the law of sin.
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posted on
08/19/2014 3:12:31 PM PDT
by
Graybeard58
( A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. Eccl 10,v 19)
To: ifinnegan
Theres an old saying - the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. Probably where that saying came from.
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posted on
08/19/2014 3:14:29 PM PDT
by
Graybeard58
( A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. Eccl 10,v 19)
To: Graybeard58
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. *God expects more out of me that I do.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
*Sometimes I act a fool but that ain't me.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
*I ain't mad when I the cops bust me.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
*I ain't bad, I'm just drawn this way.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
*Sometimes I'm ignorant for weeks.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
*Uhh.. what?
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
*So.. not my fault? Or what? Speak English!
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
So.. no good deed goes unpunished? Speak English!
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Uhhh.. Ok.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Yeah, I got some arthritis.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Ibuprofen. Naproxen Sodium too.
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Thanks, indeed. But how you figure I've sinned?
Best translation and answers I was able to look up on the intarwebs.
To: humblegunner
Some truth and a lot of humor, thanks.
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posted on
08/19/2014 3:21:59 PM PDT
by
Graybeard58
( A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. Eccl 10,v 19)
To: Graybeard58
Reminder to self. I’ll check with my wife tonight. She’s is a bit of a biblical scholar.
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posted on
08/19/2014 3:22:23 PM PDT
by
dhs12345
To: Graybeard58
I would call it conviction of the sinner who has just discovered his state, his condition, as God sees him.
At the end of the chapter, the man starts to call out to Christ for deliverance from his condition, this state of out-of-control sinning.
At the beginning of chapter 8, we see that the man has been delivered from this state and is now living in Christ.
Romans 8:1-16:
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
In short, chapter 7 describes the awakening of the Sinner, and chapter 8 describes the New Birth, Born-Again experience of the Sinner.
The key is the condemnation the sinner is dealing with in Chapter 7, because he can't stop sinning. Chapter 8, vs. 1, then states there is now no more condemnation to those in Christ Jesus and then Paul goes on to describe what can only be a born-again experience.
The two chapters are married to each other, and in my opinion, two of the most important chapters in the bible.
Sadly, many of those calling themselves Christians, and even more sadly, many of those calling themselves Christian Ministers, only read as far as chapter 7, as if it gives them an excuse to live in their sin, thereby denying Christ and his greatest gift, victory over the sin in our lives.
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posted on
08/19/2014 3:24:49 PM PDT
by
SoConPubbie
(Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
To: Graybeard58
To: Graybeard58
1. Why do you ask?
2. Seriously — you live in Congo?
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posted on
08/19/2014 3:27:23 PM PDT
by
workerbee
(The President of the United States is PUBLIC ENEMY #1)
To: Graybeard58
In the last verse, Paul seems to be thanking God, that in his flesh, he serves the law of sin. I think he's thanking God for setting him free from his body of sin in the previous verse. The law of flesh is living according to the flesh....a slave of sin. Paul is saying that Christ let's him overcome the flesh.
To: Graybeard58
It helps if you start at the beginning of the chapter.
It is a logical progression showing that we are not under the law, but rather under the new covenant of Jesus Christ’s sacrifice... However, he also shows in this argument that born again christians should not use this as an excuse to sin, because it can still lead to our physical death.
Just because we have Christ does not free us from the law unto our flesh... but it does free us from the “Law of sin and death” which directly governs our life after death.
Someone who has received Jesus as their savior cannot revoke their salvation by sinning... but they are not freed from the immediate consequences of sin, which brings judgment to the flesh.
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posted on
08/19/2014 3:33:26 PM PDT
by
Safrguns
(PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
To: Graybeard58
I thought this passage was fairly clear: For Paul, our inner sense of morality conflicts with the impulses of “the flesh”, but the grace of Christ helps us to overcome those impulses.
To: Graybeard58
1Pe_1:15 but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, God expects us to be holy even as He is holy. He has given us His Spirit to help us to be holy and His commandments to guide us.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. Rom 7:15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.
Someone who is saved knows that the law is good, but we are weak. They desire to do the things pleasing to God but cannot.
Rom 7:17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. Rom 7:18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.
We recognize our true nature-that sin dwells in us striving against God's Spirit. Unlike non-Christians, we desire to do the things of God but we don't always follow through in doing them. We don't share the gospel, tithe, do good works, etc. as much as we should when given the opportunities.
Rom 7:19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. Rom 7:20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
Not to follow God's will is evil in us and is sin.
Rom 7:24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
God expects us to be holy. We know we don't meet that requirement as we Christians sin deliberately all the while we have the Holy Spirit in us.
We are being refined. We sin, but we don't practice sin. This is what sanctification is all about.
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posted on
08/19/2014 4:04:29 PM PDT
by
HarleyD
("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
To: Graybeard58
No YOPIOS out of me.
Your Own Personal Interpretation Of Scripture.
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posted on
08/19/2014 4:07:19 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Graybeard58
I think it is also of a piece with his argument, made often and in different ways, that ‘The Law’ has as it's main goal *NOT*ti make us ‘better people’ but to make us aware of God's grace (and our need of it).
and also, I think, he is trying to be reassuring to believers - saying, in the humblest way possible “even I, educated, with as much dedication and energy as any human could ever have, having even had an encounter with the Risen Christ, and *I* still have all the same problems, temptations and frustrations as anybody, so take heart”
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posted on
08/19/2014 4:09:47 PM PDT
by
RedStateRocker
(Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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