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The Catholic Defender: Mary, Queen Of Heaven
http://www.deepertruthblog.com ^ | August 19, 2014

Posted on 08/19/2014 7:57:09 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

This coming August 22, the Feast of Mary, Queen of Heaven will be celebrated throughout the world. Deepertruth will focus this Tuesday on this most important topic.

The Marian teaching “Queen of Heaven” is steeped in Old Testament tradition.

There are those who misunderstand this teaching and will even claim it is Pagan. Nothing can be furthest from the truth.

Some will surely want to raise the scripture coming from Jeremiah 7:16-18, “You, now, do not intercede for this people; raise not in their behalf a pleading prayer! Do not urge me, for I will not listen to you. Do you not see what they are doing in the cites of Judah, in the streets of Jerusalem? The Children gather wood, their fathers light the fire, and the women knead dough to make cakes for the queen of heaven, while libations are poured out to strange gods in order to hurt me. Is it I whom they hurt, says the Lord; is it not rather themselves, to their own confusion?”

The queen of heaven that Jeremiah is speaking of is not the Blessed Virgin Mary who is the true Queen of Heaven, but rather a false god. The Israelites worshiped Pagan gods that displeased the Lord. The Babylonians worshiped a woman called “Ishtar“, she was the goddess of love and war. Prostitution was a part of the temple worship. She was known to have had many lovers.

Contrast this with the Blessed Virgin Mary who represents chastity, modesty, faithfulness, and love of God. She is the purest of God’s creation. Unlike Ishtar and other female goddesses who were worshiped and called “God the Mother“, the Blessed Virgin Mary is called Mother of God. Not because she is a goddess, she is not, but because Catholics recognize Jesus as Divine. He is truly God and man.

Is Mary the true Queen of Heaven, is there such a position within the kingdom of God? The answer is yes, and this Queen is the Blessed Virgin Mary.

The foundation for this is found in 1 Kings 2:12-20. “When Solomon was seated on the throne of his father David, with his sovereignty firmly established, Adonjah, son of Haggith, went to Bathsheba, the mother of Solomon. ‘Do you come as a friend?’ She asked. ‘Yes’, he answered, and added, ‘I have something to say to you,’ She replied, ‘Say it.’ So he said: ‘You know that the kingdom was mine, and all Israel expected me to be king. But the kingdom escaped me and became my brother’s, for the Lord gave it to him. But now there is one favor I would ask of you. Do not refuse me.’ And she said, ‘Speak on.’ He said, ‘Please ask King Solomon, who will not refuse you, to give me Abishag the Shunamite for my wife.’ ‘Very well,’ replied Bathsheba, I will speak to the king for you.’ Then Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, and the king stood up to meet her and paid her homage. Then he sat down upon his throne, and a throne was provided for the king’s mother, who sat at his right.”

Bathsheba thus became the first Queen of Israel, the Queen was not a wife of the king, but the King’s mother.

Jesus is truly the Son of David, The angel Gabriel spoke of Jesus saying, “Behold, you (Mary) will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” (Luke 1:3-33).

Jesus said, “Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, then I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me. I will give the victor the right to sit with me on my throne, as I myself first won the victory and sit with my Father on his throne” (Revelation 3:20).

We see a glimpse of this heavenly glory with the Messiah in heaven in Psalms 45. In verse 9-10 we see a very important scripture relating to the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of Jesus. It reads, “daughters of kings are among your ladies of honor; at your right hand stand the Queen in gold of Ophir”. Psalms 45:1-9 refers to Jesus and verses 9-17 concerns this queen. The same Queen St. John writes, “And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars” (Revelation 12:1).

Psalms 45 continues to say, “Hear, O daughter, consider, and incline your ear; forget your people and your father’s house; and the king will desire your beauty. Since he is your Lord, bow to him; the people of Tyre will sue your favor with gifts, the richest of the people with all kinds of wealth. The princess is decked in her chamber with gold-woven robes; in many colored robes she is led to the king, with her virgin companions, her escort, in her train. With joy and gladness they are led along as they enter the palace of the king. Instead of your fathers shall by your sons; you will make them princes in all the earth. I will cause your name to be celebrated in all generations; therefore the peoples will praise you forever and ever”(Psalms 45:9-17).

Notice that the “rich” seeks her favor, just like Adonjah had first sought Bathsheba’s intercession.

The Queen of Psalms 45 will be remembered and celebrated in all generations, and the people will praise her forever.

Is there any other woman in history that can fit this description? Hillary Clinton?

This praise will not be worship that is given to God alone, but it will be honor and petition.

Notice what Mother Mary says, “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my savior, for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed; for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name. And his mercy is on those who fear him from generation to generation. He has shown strength with his arm, he has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts, he has put down the mighty from their thrones, and exalted those of low degree; he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent empty away. He has helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy, as he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his posterity for ever” (Luke 1:46-55).

Psalms 45:9-17 and Luke 1:47-55 speak of the same person. The Virgin Mary, as the Queen of Heaven represents Jesus Christ in all that she does. There is no likeness to the pagan goddesses that were worshiped by the Babylonians and the cultures surrounding the nation of Israel in the Old Testament.


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Hail Mary, Full of Grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of death.

Amen.

1 posted on 08/19/2014 7:57:09 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

The first promise for praying the rosary located in the rosary instruction manual..

1. Whosoever shall faithfully ‘Serve Me’ by the recitation of the Rosary shall receive signal graces.

Luke 4:8
8 And Yahshua answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship YHWH thy Elohim, and Him Only shalt thou Serve..

The first promise is a lie from this spirit. Or the spirit was misqouted...
Either way, on the witness of both the Living Word and His written Word, this spirit is lying.

Lies never lead to Truth.


2 posted on 08/19/2014 8:14:02 AM PDT by delchiante
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The Marian teaching “Queen of Heaven” is steeped in Old Testament tradition. There are those who misunderstand this teaching and will even claim it is Pagan. Nothing can be furthest from the truth....

.... Is Mary the true Queen of Heaven, is there such a position within the kingdom of God? The answer is yes, and this Queen is the Blessed Virgin Mary. The foundation for this is found in 1 Kings 2:12-20....We see a glimpse of this heavenly glory with the Messiah in heaven in Psalms 45....The Queen of Psalms 45 will be remembered and celebrated in all generations, and the people will praise her forever. Is there any other woman in history that can fit this description? Hillary Clinton? This praise will not be worship that is given to God alone, but it will be honor and petition....

PFL

3 posted on 08/19/2014 8:16:09 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: NKP_Vet
Every Apostle knew Jesus's mother.

How could they ALL have missed out on praying to her for intercession? Why do NONE of them even vaguely mention it?

These were people that physically met, walked, talked, and ate with her. How could they have missed out on her royal status? Why did none of them ever refer to her in this manner?

Jesus knew his mother. Why did Jesus himself NEVER mention praying to his mother for intercession? Why did Jesus never mention her royal status?


Nice job of diggin up every reference about kings mothers being honored. I missed the name Mary in every one of them though.

4 posted on 08/19/2014 8:18:02 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: rawcatslyentist
Why do NONE of them even vaguely mention it?

You think everything the Apostles taught is contained in Scripture? If that's the case, then why all the controversy in the earliest ages of Christianity over Christ's natures?

5 posted on 08/19/2014 8:21:27 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Alex Murphy

You missed a reference:

“17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?

18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.”

Jeremiah 7:17-18


6 posted on 08/19/2014 8:25:50 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: rawcatslyentist

Do you honor your own mother?

What will Christ say to you at the moment you die since you don’t honor his mother in a similar fashion?


7 posted on 08/19/2014 8:34:44 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: rawcatslyentist

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1931018235?ie=UTF8&tag=scotthcom-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1931018235

If you are interested in Scriptural apologetics regarding Mary, or if you are curious as to what role Mary should play in your life, then this book is highly recommended.


8 posted on 08/19/2014 8:35:45 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: rawcatslyentist

You and I know that’s right, that there is no such thing etc, but I am not sure on the best way to reach Catholics. I have found that pointing out the beliefs of the Roman Catholic church and then refuting it with the bible doesn’t work. It’s no different than any other belief system that isn’t Christian (Mormon, J.W.) etc. I think the only way to reach out is to just show love and live it and pray, and let the Holy Spirit do his work. The beatings with the bible don’t seem to be working.


9 posted on 08/19/2014 8:38:15 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Salvation; rawcatslyentist
Do you honor your own mother? What will Christ say to you at the moment you die since you don’t honor his mother in a similar fashion?


"Did you honor my mama?!?!?"

10 posted on 08/19/2014 8:41:26 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Bulwyf

“I have found that pointing out the beliefs of the Roman Catholic church and then refuting it with the bible doesn’t work”

You mean the CATHOLIC document that came from the CATHOLIC CHURCH. Without the CATHOLIC CHURCH you will still be praying to a sun god.


11 posted on 08/19/2014 8:45:53 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
I remember that a dutiful son rarely if ever denies the request of his mother.
12 posted on 08/19/2014 8:47:29 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: NKP_Vet

That should not have made me laugh, but it did. Right on!


13 posted on 08/19/2014 8:49:31 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: NKP_Vet

I can tell you that that is not true, but it wouldn’t be to any use. It’s like trying to argue with a person who believes the world to be flat and you know for a fact it isn’t. They won’t change their mind. I have no desire to be confrontational, because I’ve done that in the past and I don’t believe that’s how Jesus would want me to represent him. Instead, I will say that I will pray for you, for your countrymen, for my countrymen, and for our countries that we may know him and that we will turn back to him and right our countries.

No amount of deportations, elections, war, you name it, nothing will repair our countries unless we have the blessing of God himself.

As for the word of God, God himself did give us his word and he’s all powerful, he can preserve his word, and it’s up to us to follow it. I’m no perfect person, but I’m trying to improve myself everyday and lead my house.


14 posted on 08/19/2014 8:55:04 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: delchiante; NKP_Vet
Delchiante, you've made an important point, that only God should be served as God. The kind of "serving" we are forbidden to do, is to serve somebdy else "as God."

However, we are also expected, even commanded to serve others, in other ways:

1 Peter 4:10
"Like good stewards of the manifold grace of God, serve one another with whatever gift each of you has received."

Galatians 5:13
"For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another."

Thus we are not forbidden to serve others, we are forbidden to put anyone above God.

To adore someone else wold be going too far. Tha is idolatry.

15 posted on 08/19/2014 9:00:00 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment. " John 7:24)
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To: Alex Murphy
Be merciful to all who are suffering violence, keeping always in your heart the example of the Lord who said, “I desire mercy and not sacrifice.”

-- Saint Stephen of Hungary

16 posted on 08/19/2014 9:04:22 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Bulwyf

What about JW’s do you consider unchristian? BTW, I’m not one of those, but had an old relative who was one.


17 posted on 08/19/2014 9:05:35 AM PDT by 82nd Bragger (Count to four except when in a helicopter)
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To: NKP_Vet
Error ... upon error ... built upon more error.

Get the nature of the virgin birth wrong and you have to have Mary sinless. Make her sinless and she cannot die. If she cannot die then she must have been taken up into heaven bodily. If she was taken up in to heaven bodily she should have a position due her uniqueness.

It goes on and on ... the author is incapable of handling God's word with any accuracy ... drawing conclusions from narrative sections of scripture without recourse to history, grammar of the languages, context of the passage, understanding in theology.

False doctrine ... producing false converts ... producing false fruit ... giving false hope.

Repent, believe, call on Him as Lord ...

18 posted on 08/19/2014 9:08:56 AM PDT by dartuser
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To: Bulwyf

“As for the word of God, God himself did give us his word and he’s all powerful, he can preserve his word”

Through the Catholic Church God gave the world His world.
Without the Catholic Church safeguarding, then compiling The Word there would be no Bible for you to read. Why is that so hard for you understand?


19 posted on 08/19/2014 9:10:00 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
The Catholic Church was, is and will always be corrupt. The church deliberately kept the Word of God away from the people for whom it was meant, and installed laughably insane (but profitable) church traditions in the Word's place. Just sick.

I'm not going to worry about Christ's attitude about His mother when I stand before Him. I honor her as the vessel of our Savior. You should worry about worshiping anyone but God which is nothing but idolatry against which we are admonished from the beginning to the end of the Bible.

20 posted on 08/19/2014 9:21:58 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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