[TradicalRC]

I notice that many of those who like this Pope would never darken the door of a Catholic church.

[Alex Murphy]

When Cardinal Bergoglio was elected pope in 2013, many traditional Catholics were wary. Recently, their pessimism is being justified as "The Francis Effect" makes itself felt across the world and in America, most notably in the Archdiocese of New York. So-called "traditional" Catholics prefer to attend the Mass as it was celebrated before and during the Second Vatican Council (1962-5), before the liturgy was radically reformed in 1969.

"I notice that many of those who like this Pope would never darken the door of a Catholic church."

PFL

[cloudmountain]

The Mass has changed over the last 2000 years, not just this recent past. Nothing wrong with changing the "bells and whistles."

The ESSENCE of the Mass is the changing of the bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus. That has not changed.

The essence of humanity is change. It always has been. Generations are not static. Not much IS static in this life.

God's love for us in unchanging and we Catholics are MOST privileged to have His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity to consume at Mass. Everything else is bells and whistles.

[denydenydeny]

"The Francis Effect," where dissenters are pandered to and enemies of the Church have their bellies scratched, while those who sacrifice for the Church, battle on the front lines, and just wish to pray at a good liturgy steeped in the traditional beauty of the Church are attacked, insulted, and if they dare so much emit a squeak of annoyance, find themselves cast out of the Church

The worst Pope since the days of the Borgias.

[Oratam]

This article paints an even sadder picture of the situation in NY than I first believed in the immediate aftermath of Fr. Wylie's removal. I didn't like Dolan from the start and I recall, like Francis, he was hailed as a breath of fresh air by those who'd never step foot in a Catholic Church . . . and by that I refer to lapsed Catholics and the flaky no-judgment types of every religious stripe . . . and no stripe as well.

What drives these people? What motivates a Timmy Dolan? I suspect something like Flannery O'Connor's "Church of Christ without Christ" from Wise Blood. The Cross is indeed a scandal . . . many will not have it.

[ebb tide]

Excellent article and spot on.

Thanks for posting.

[Clemenza]

If you really want to be Orthodox, do your masses in Aramaic instead of the decadent, Anti-Christian Eurotrash Empire.

[Dajjal]

bumpus ad summum

[Zionist Conspirator]

Are there conservative Catholics in New York?