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To: vladimir998
So, if your sect believes in once-saved-always-saved you can look in any Bible and you won’t find a detailed explanation of OSAS anywhere in the Biblical text because none exists.

If one reads the text in the Greek one would understand that your salvation is secure in Christ.

In my opinion this is where all churches fail today by not using the original language to explain these very basic, yet most important, understandings of Christianity.

453 posted on 07/15/2014 7:15:10 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: ealgeone

“If one reads the text in the Greek one would understand that your salvation is secure in Christ.”

The evidence is overwhelming that OSAS is a false doctrine. This is made abundantly clear in the Greek or in any reputable vernacular translation. Even many Protestant anti-Catholics realize that OSAS is bogus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCfDHrwSA0g

“In my opinion this is where all churches fail today by not using the original language to explain these very basic, yet most important, understandings of Christianity.”

OSAS is NOT a “very basic, yet most important, understanding of Christianity”. It’s a heresy, a fraud, a Protestant invention.


459 posted on 07/15/2014 7:55:11 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: ealgeone
If one reads the text in the Greek one would understand that your salvation is secure in Christ. In my opinion this is where all churches fail today by not using the original language to explain these very basic, yet most important, understandings of Christianity.

Even without looking at the Greek, the English translation is clear enough.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

2 Corinthians 5:4-8 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Colossians 3:3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

1 Peter 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3156607/posts?page=313#313

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

For which the Greek, from the Byzantine, is:

2Corinthians 1:21-22 ο δε βεβαιων ημας συν υμιν εις χριστον και χρισας ημας θεος ο και σφραγισαμενος ημας και δους τον αρραβωνα του πνευματος εν ταις καρδιαις ημων

The first word in bold above is “bebaion,” the idea of confirmation, frequently used in commercial settings to confirm a bargain. Which of course makes sense of the remaining terms used here, which are also elements of a secured contract.

The second word in bold above is “sphragisamenos,” being sealed is to be marked by the signature, signet ring, or other unique proof of identity, that we belong to God, and this sealing is done by God, who is the one taking action in this verse. We do not and cannot seal ourselves. We do not, by our own powers, have access to God’s “signet ring.”

The third bolded word above is “arrabona,” and indicates what we might loosely refer to as earnest money, but in Hebrew culture conveys more the idea of a pledge of covenant, a security given as a guarantee that the deal will go through, though we only receive part payment at the beginning. See ערב for the related Hebrew stem indicating “pledge.”

498 posted on 07/15/2014 9:49:12 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ealgeone; vladimir998; editor-surveyor
Vlad wrote:So, if your sect believes in once-saved-always-saved you can look in any Bible and you won’t find a detailed explanation of OSAS anywhere in the Biblical text because none exists.

Eagleone replied; If one reads the text in the Greek one would understand that your salvation is secure in Christ.

ES I would love you to give this attention it deserves. I am going to sit over here in the corner eating my popcorn

500 posted on 07/15/2014 10:00:09 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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