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Doubts increase over Pope's alleged phone call on divorce
cna ^ | April 24, 2014

Posted on 04/24/2014 1:42:10 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 04/24/2014 1:42:11 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 04/24/2014 1:42:30 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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Sorry. A divorced woman married to another man is living in a state of adultery. A mortal sin. And they cannot receive the Eucharist in a state of mortal sin.


3 posted on 04/24/2014 1:53:47 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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I really don’t put any weight on this one. We don’t know what the Pope actually said to her—IF the phone call ever took place. And we don’t know what she told the Pope about her situation. The whole business is questionable. And as the Vatican points out, if they discussed anything, it is a private matter.


4 posted on 04/24/2014 2:08:19 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: FatherofFive

Too bad Jesus didn’t die for EVERY sin. But, I think he did!!


5 posted on 04/24/2014 2:23:14 PM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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My opinion: as an act of "mercy," the pope told her to go to a different parish where she would not be recognized as having been married before; in doing so she would avoid scandal. He also told her to be discreet. But she could not keep her mouth shut. So the Vatican does damage control.

This pope seems a nice, humble man but is causing problems. He says things that lead some to believe the rules have changed, then falls back to claiming be stands by the teaching of the Church. You cannot have it both ways and it only increases the chasm between the Catechism and the practices of Western Catholics.

6 posted on 04/24/2014 2:26:09 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: MrLee

Do you believe that the Holy Eucharist is the precious Body and Blood of Jesus and Christ and that He is really, truly and substantially present in the Eucharist?


7 posted on 04/24/2014 2:26:38 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: MrLee

Are you saying that if someone was molesting kids it’s ok because Jesus washes away all sins?


8 posted on 04/24/2014 2:28:53 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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Argentina is nothing but a swamp of confused Italians (the majority of the ruling and middle class are, like Pope Francis, of Italian descent). Their Spanish is non-standard - but they think they can give Spanish lessons to the world.

I hate to sound bigoted, but in my opinion, anything emanating from Argentina should be examined once, twice, thrice...and then probably rejected. The Pope aside, of course; I think he’s sincere and orthodox, but he’s got the chaotic Argentinian style, and I think that’s what a lot of people don’t understand.


9 posted on 04/24/2014 2:34:21 PM PDT by livius
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Maybe - maybe not. Only Christ knows those things. But we should all remember that looking at a woman with lust is adultry. Just being angry is committing murder. This humbles us all.


10 posted on 04/24/2014 2:42:59 PM PDT by plain talk
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If Nancy Pelosi can receive communion then this woman should.


11 posted on 04/24/2014 2:52:24 PM PDT by Raycpa
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If Nancy Pelosi can receive communion then this woman should.

She can't and neither can this woman.

12 posted on 04/24/2014 2:54:16 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: informavoracious

If the person is truly sorry for their sin, then yes. It doesn’t mean he gets off without punishment.


13 posted on 04/24/2014 3:14:36 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: informavoracious

One additional possibility — she is living chastely with her current “husband.” As brother and sister. In such a case it would be permissible to receive Holy Communion. But would be less prone to scandal at a different church where they don’t know her.


14 posted on 04/24/2014 3:16:35 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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Yes, I understand that. But the sin must stop. Jesus said a divorced person who remarries is in adultery. Adultery is a sin. If she continues with this man, she has not repented of her sin and cannot receive Communion.


15 posted on 04/24/2014 3:20:13 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: informavoracious
possibility — she is living chastely

She wouldn't have to, because:

According to his version: “Francisco told my wife . . . a divorced who goes (to Communion) is doing nothing wrong.”

16 posted on 04/24/2014 3:29:21 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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According to his version...which is a version of her version.... Only yhe woman, the pope, and the CIA know exactly what was said. And it is om for divorcees to receive Communion as long as they are not remarried.


17 posted on 04/24/2014 3:35:57 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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How could they have gotten the impression that the Pope MEANT divorced and remarried can receive Communion? Who is responsible for the confusion?
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I don’t recall nearly as much confusion around the words of the previous six popes in my lifetime.
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Rome, we have a problem.


18 posted on 04/24/2014 3:42:27 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: NYer

as usual, the press gets it wrong again.


19 posted on 04/24/2014 7:14:17 PM PDT by Coleus
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Vatican spokesman Fr. Federico Lombardi concluded his statement Thursday emphasizing that “consequences relating to the teaching of the Church are not to be inferred from these occurrences.”

In other words, "Do as the Church teaches, not what Francis does".

20 posted on 04/24/2014 7:36:00 PM PDT by ebb tide
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