Posted on 04/24/2014 1:42:10 PM PDT by NYer
.- Media frenzy over an alleged phone call Pope Francis made to a divorced and remarried woman allowing her to receive Communion has seen a rise in conflicting details – and has been lamented by the Vatican as causing “confusion.”
Spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said today that the Holy See will not officially comment on the alleged phone call Pope Francis made to an Argentinean woman this week, as the pontiff's “personal pastoral” relationships “do not in any way form part of the Pope's public activities.”
“That which has been communicated in relation to this matter,” he stressed in an April 24 statement, “and the consequent media amplification, cannot be confirmed as reliable, and is a source of misunderstanding and confusion.”
The story of a woman in Argentina that allegedly received a phone call from Pope Francis on Easter Monday, giving her “permission” to receive Communion since she is married with a divorced man, has become more complex and doubtful in some of its details.
The situation involves Jaquelina Lisbona, 47, and Julio Sabetta, 50, of San Lorenzo – a small city 185 miles North West from Buenos Aires.
Sabetta was married into the Catholic church in 1985, but got legally divorced in 1992. In 1994, he was re-introduced to Jaquelina – they had been boyfriend and girlfriend in their teens – and the two started to live together in a civil union. Since then, they had two children, Candela and Josefina, aged 17 and 14, respectively.
Six years ago, during Candela's preparation for her confirmation – both daughters have been baptized, received first Holy Communion and have been confirmed – the local pastor at that time, who has been erroneously described as having left the priesthood by some news sources, told Jaquelina that she could not receive Communion because of her marital status.
Last September, encouraged by a friend, she decided to write Pope Francis about her situation and her desire to receive Communion.
The story of the Pope's “permission” to Jaquelina to receive Communion was first posted on Monday evening by Sabetta on his Facebook Page when he wrote: “Today one of the most beautiful things happened to me since the birth of my two daughters, I got a call in my home from none other than Pope Francis, it was a big emotion, we cannot figure it out yet, this call was originated by my wife who sent him a letter and he took his time to call her and talk to her and I can assure you that when he talks, he gives you total peace. Thanks God for this blessing!”
The story was originally picked up by local radio station “La Red,” and local newspaper “La Capital.” It was then mentioned by the national Argentinean News Agency TELAM and by Wednesday the news story spread globally, including the Drudge Report.
What the Pope exactly told Jaquelina is a matter of controversy. Speaking to La Red, Jaquelina said that after talking for about ten minutes with the Pope, he allegedly told her that there are some priests that are “more Papist than the Pope” and that she should “go to confession and start taking Communion at a different parish.”
In a second interview, overwhelmed by the international attention and the phone calls from around the world, she confirmed that she received “permission” to receive Communion by the Pope, but she complained: “this was supposed to be discrete, now I don't think I will be able to go anywhere now.”
Since Wednesday, Jaquelina has not been available for comments.
A call from CNA at their home was responded by her daughter Candela, who confirmed that “Pope Francis called, we are overjoyed and humbled as a family.” But she said that her mother was overwhelmed and was neither taking calls nor working at the small grocery store that the family owns across the street.
Sabetta instead has been happy to respond to the press. According to his version: “Francisco told my wife that she was free from all sin, that she should go to communion, that she should go with peace of mind, since a divorced who goes (to Communion) is doing nothing wrong.”
“He only told her to go to communion to another parish to avoid frictions (with the pastor.)”
But the pastor of San Lorenzo's church, Fr. José Ceschi, said late on Wednesday that the alleged “permission” to receive communion given by the Pope is “absurd.”
Speaking to local radio station La Ocho, Fr. Ceschi said that “first of all, I am very happy to know that the Pope called someone in San Lorenzo, the Pope surprises with these calls and people are so surprised, and that makes me happy. I do believe in the call, but what is hard to believe is that he gave her permission to go to Communion.”
“The Pope would never do that, (it) is impossible. If he is coming from a previous sacrament and they are living together (it) is absolutely impossible,” Fr. Ceschi told the radio station.
“What happens is that the Pope, like all bishops and priests, needs to be father, mother and teacher, always with an open heart, while telling things as they are.”
Speaking of his predecessor, who told Jaquelina that she could not receive communion, the priest noted that “Fr. Sergio was right, if a previous sacrament of marriage is involved, the Church cannot go beyond what Jesus has taught.”
“If Fr. Sergio would have given absolution, it would have been like someone writing you a check for an empty bank account, (it) is worthless!” he said.
“Again, I believe that the call happened, I just don't believe the Pope would go over the head of the (local) bishop – it is absurd,” he reiterated.
Vatican spokesman Fr. Federico Lombardi concluded his statement Thursday emphasizing that “consequences relating to the teaching of the Church are not to be inferred from these occurrences.”
Ping!
Sorry. A divorced woman married to another man is living in a state of adultery. A mortal sin. And they cannot receive the Eucharist in a state of mortal sin.
I really don’t put any weight on this one. We don’t know what the Pope actually said to her—IF the phone call ever took place. And we don’t know what she told the Pope about her situation. The whole business is questionable. And as the Vatican points out, if they discussed anything, it is a private matter.
Too bad Jesus didn’t die for EVERY sin. But, I think he did!!
This pope seems a nice, humble man but is causing problems. He says things that lead some to believe the rules have changed, then falls back to claiming be stands by the teaching of the Church. You cannot have it both ways and it only increases the chasm between the Catechism and the practices of Western Catholics.
Do you believe that the Holy Eucharist is the precious Body and Blood of Jesus and Christ and that He is really, truly and substantially present in the Eucharist?
Are you saying that if someone was molesting kids it’s ok because Jesus washes away all sins?
Argentina is nothing but a swamp of confused Italians (the majority of the ruling and middle class are, like Pope Francis, of Italian descent). Their Spanish is non-standard - but they think they can give Spanish lessons to the world.
I hate to sound bigoted, but in my opinion, anything emanating from Argentina should be examined once, twice, thrice...and then probably rejected. The Pope aside, of course; I think he’s sincere and orthodox, but he’s got the chaotic Argentinian style, and I think that’s what a lot of people don’t understand.
Maybe - maybe not. Only Christ knows those things. But we should all remember that looking at a woman with lust is adultry. Just being angry is committing murder. This humbles us all.
If Nancy Pelosi can receive communion then this woman should.
She can't and neither can this woman.
If the person is truly sorry for their sin, then yes. It doesn’t mean he gets off without punishment.
One additional possibility — she is living chastely with her current “husband.” As brother and sister. In such a case it would be permissible to receive Holy Communion. But would be less prone to scandal at a different church where they don’t know her.
Yes, I understand that. But the sin must stop. Jesus said a divorced person who remarries is in adultery. Adultery is a sin. If she continues with this man, she has not repented of her sin and cannot receive Communion.
She wouldn't have to, because:
According to his version: “Francisco told my wife . . . a divorced who goes (to Communion) is doing nothing wrong.”
According to his version...which is a version of her version.... Only yhe woman, the pope, and the CIA know exactly what was said. And it is om for divorcees to receive Communion as long as they are not remarried.
How could they have gotten the impression that the Pope MEANT divorced and remarried can receive Communion? Who is responsible for the confusion?
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I don’t recall nearly as much confusion around the words of the previous six popes in my lifetime.
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Rome, we have a problem.
as usual, the press gets it wrong again.
In other words, "Do as the Church teaches, not what Francis does".
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