Posted on 04/23/2014 9:41:45 AM PDT by marshmallow
Pope Francis has phoned a divorced and remarried Catholic woman in Argentina to tell her that she could "safely receive Communion", according to an extraordinary report in La Stampa.
The woman's husband, writing on Facebook, claims that the Pope – introducing himself as "Father Bergoglio" – spoke to his wife, who'd been divorced before marrying him and told her that men or women who were divorced and received Communion weren't doing anything wrong. He apparently added that this matter is under discussion at the Vatican. (Quick health warning: given the complexity of this subject, we need much more clarity on what Francis reportedly said. I find it hard to believe that he would make such an unqualified statement.)
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Whatever one believes about this issue - one would expect there to be consistent rules applied. This report if true would seem to imply different rules for this person in Argentina vs the rest of the Catholic church laity. Seems odd.
Different rules? From what I hear from friends the ‘rules’ about annulment vary greatly depending on the location.
Well, to be more accurate, perhaps the rules don’t change but their interpretation very much does.
Sometimes divorces do happen, whether one wants them or not. But if a Catholic remarries because loneliness or sexual desire is more important to her than being able to take communion, then apparently taking communion wasn't all that important to her. If it -is- important to her, then she should determine whether an annulment is an option or put Christ first in her life. In either case she is not forbidden to go to Mass. And she should not expect the Church to change its teachings for her and for others who didn't care enough about our Lord's explicit instruction to obey Him.
I agree.
Most would stay, but if you really love the Lord, you feel in your heart he gave you that man as a husband. Then the alternative is instead to turn on the Lord and leave your bond as who would give one such a husband? So stay and leave the Lord is much better then. /s.
Being denied sex, intimacy, and love is not fulfilled by a lifetime of service for the Lord unless one is a nun. Most women are not nuns.
Communion is withheld not simply because one has divorced and remarried but because a “good” confession is impossible without a firm purpose of amendment (viz., promising and sincerely intending to live as brother and sister).
But if you are a Kennedy, as in Ted Kennedy and Jackie, or other famous person with money, you can get an annulment. It's a racket.
In an annulment, both parties have to sign. If the other party can't be found, or refuses to sign, the annulment is refused and that happened to me. I was a church Lector when I left. God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit and I are fine but the church has become too liberal, catering to homosexuals now, and I wouldn't go back.
Catholic nuns are a different story, they are special and were to me when my husband was in the hospital for a long time. They ran that hospital and took me into their convent on a daily basis to eat with them and visit them. When my husband died, I put out the word for people not to send flowers but give to the nuns for their food program for the poor. They told me that was the first time anyone had done that. Nuns are God's love in action.
Do you have a link debunking it?
Thanks.
La Stampa is no better than the New York Slimes or the Washington Compost.
Uh, what?
Was he the pope then or a local bishop? Was it a joke played by a friend?
No, being humble and all.
a more important question than “what does the pope say” is “what does God say”?
Catholics believe that the Pope is God’s chief representative on earth.
However, man (even the pope) is fallible.
God HATES divorce. However, it is NOT the unforgivable sin. That is reserved for rejecting Christ as the Son of God, and our Savior.
I frankly do not care much what a Protestant OR Catholic leader says is “right”. If you don’t read your bible, and get it straight from the source, you can be (and will be) mislead.
For any belief (including this one) you should be able to debate from the scriptures WHY it is so.
Let’s wait with commenting until after the official word on this subject is heard from the Vatican.
This just seems out of character.
A letter Pope Francis sent to the bishops of Argentina in late March is getting note from a pro-life Catholic group that says it is encouraging for pro-life advocates because it says pro-abortion politicians should not be eligible for communion in the Catholic Church.
In the letter, Pope Francis directed the Argentinean bishops to govern the Church there following the Aparecida Document.
The text states, in part, “[people] cannot receive Holy Communion and at the same time act with deeds or words against the commandments, particularly when abortion, euthanasia, and other grave crimes against life and family are encouraged. This responsibility weighs particularly over legislators, heads of governments, and health professionals.” Pope Francis: Pro-Abortion Politicians Ineligible for Communion
Reread your Bible.
The position of the Catholic Church is not that the divorced should be refused Communion; it’s that divorced and remarried should be refused. Officially, anyway.
For some reason known not to me, though, it does not refuse Communion to those catholics who claim abortion is a sacred centerpiece of their faith.
Not even Monsignor Bergoglio.
Yeah, sounds very fishy to me. A supposedly private call from one party to another, translated into a third language and reported by a third party? Color me skeptical.
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