Canonization of popes John Paul II, John XXIII to draw millions to Rome

New York Post ^ | 04/20/14 | Pedro Oliveira Jr

[Old Yeller]

Easter services today are expected to kick off a record-breaking week at the Vatican. Two beloved modern popes — John Paul II and John XXIII — are to be canonized at the Vatican next Sunday by Pope Francis. There will be services all week, which could draw the most pilgrims ever to the Catholic capital. John Paul II is remembered for helping to bring down communism and for inspiring a generation of Catholics.

Many now call him “The Great,” only the fourth pope to have earned the moniker. And while much of the crowd’s focus will be on the Polish pope’s remarkable achievements, Pope John XXIII — known as the “Good Pope” for his kindhearted nature — was no less revolutionary. Pope Francis bypassed the second miracle typically required for canonization for John XXIII, declaring that he deserved the honor for having convened the Second Vatican Council.

Rome officials said they expected 3 million visitors in the city during the period from the Easter celebrations this weekend and the canonization next Sunday. Nineteen heads of state and 24 prime ministers are expected to attend the canonization ceremony in St. Peter’s Square. In line with Pope Francis’s no-frills papacy, organizers said the canonizations would be a much more sober affair than the three-day extravaganza that marked John Paul’s beatification, the last step before sainthood, in 2011. Cardinal Agostino Vallini, the vicar of Rome, said some churches would remain open overnight on the eve of the canonization to provide a spiritual retreat for pilgrims, “but not much else.”

Francis has long signaled his support for making a saint of John Paul II, whose funeral nine years ago saw mourners chant, “Santo subito [Saint now]!”

[Biggirl]

Can you please call this very special Sunday by its real title “Easter Sunday” . Thank-you!

Christ is RISEN! He is RISEN indeed!

[Biggirl]

If you want to know, the canonizations will not take place until next Sunday.

[Biggirl]

Yep, this thread has become “Catholic bashing central” for today.

[Salvation]

If I’m not wrong all the Bishops you mentioned were recommended by Bernardin and Jadot.

Blame them.

[Salvation]

Well I was right on two out of the three.

Waekland

 

Archbishop of Milwaukee[edit]

On September 20, 1977, Pope Paul VI appointed Weakland Archbishop of Milwaukee. He was consecrated bishop on November 8, in the Cathedral of St. John the Evangelist by Archbishop Jean Jadot.^[4]

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Clark

On April 23, 1979, Clark was appointed the eighth Bishop of Rochester by Pope John Paul II.^[2]

 

Hubbard

On February 2, 1977, Hubbard was appointed Bishop of Albany by Pope Paul VI. He received his episcopal consecration on the following March 27 from Cardinal Terence Cooke, with Bishops Edwin B. Broderick and Edward Joseph Maginn serving as co-consecrators. He was the youngest bishop in the country at the time.

[Arthur McGowan]

I didn’t say JPII appointed all of them. I said that JPII did nothing about them even though he knew all about their abuses—liturgical and theological.

[NKP_Vet]

Convening Vatican II is the stated reason that Pope Francis forfeited the requirement for a second miracle in the canonization of Pope John 23rd.

[NKP_Vet]

“John XXIII convened Vatican II. Huge mistake”.

Pope Francis doesn’t seem to think it was a mistake and has said the reason he forfeited the second miracle for John the 23rd is because John convened Vatican II.

In the case of JP2 two miracles have already been attributed to his intercession and Pope Benedict waived the 5 year wait requirement before the canonization process can be initiated.

Catholic theologians usually cite JP2 was one of the greatest pope’s in history. He’s already being called “Great” and only five other popes in history have been honored with that designation.

Hopefully Mother Teresa will be be canonized in the near future.

[piusv]

This is nothing more than the canonization of Vatican II.

God help us.

[Biggirl]

How wonderful this double canonizations will take place, on the beautiful feast day of the great “ Divine Mercy “, April 27, 2014.

[piusv]

Koran-kissing “saint” JPII.

Like I said, God help us.

[SkyPilot]

Vladimir,

Can you explain this contradiction to me? The angels themselves vehemently prohibit worship of themselves. So did Moses. So did Paul, so did Peter, and all the apostles. So did the prophets of God.

8I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9But he said to me, “Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.”

Revelation 22:8

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As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. 26 But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”

Acts 10:25-26

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This attitude every man and woman should have. None of us are worthy of worship. We are to avoid idolatry in all circumstances, including the worship of humans (1 Corinthians 10:14). The synonyms of idolatry are idolization, fetishization, fetishism, idol worship, adulation, adoration, reverence, veneration, glorification, lionization, and hero-worshiping.

Given this truth, explain to my why this is Biblical?

[piusv]

In the traditional sense, I disagree that love and respect of our popes is idolatry. However, the reactions and defense I have seen by Catholics of recent popes most definitely verge on papal idolatry.

[SkyPilot]

In the traditional sense, I disagree that love and respect of our popes is idolatry.

How is that reconciled with the Scriptures? Could not Peter or the angels have simply justified bowing before them as "love and respect?" Or did they reply No! - do not do that, because only God deserves that worship?

However, the reactions and defense I have seen by Catholics of recent popes most definitely verge on papal idolatry.

Agree. Why do you think that this behavior, which the Scripture clearly condemn in the strongest of terms, endures?

[vladimir998]

“Can you explain this contradiction to me?”

There is no contradiction. No one worships the pope or an image of the pope.

“Given this truth, explain to my why this is Biblical?”

Treating images or people with respect is not unbiblical. Images were used in the Temple: 1 Kings 6:23
People were treated with honor: 1 Kings 2:19

I once asked a moronic anti-Catholic bigot who posted pictures just like the ones you posted how he proposed to his wife. Did he get on one knee? Did he attest to his love and devotion to her? Did he give her flowers and an expensive ring? You should have seen him scramble for an explanation of how that was all okay, but to treat the pope with respect was wrong! Hilarious.

[Biggirl]

Yet I also see traditional Catholics defend TLM which is on the verge of being idolatry of a certain mass rite.

[Biggirl]

BINGO! We have a winner!

[vladimir998]

“However, the reactions and defense I have seen by Catholics of recent popes most definitely verge on papal idolatry.”

And you think Catholics treated Pius V or Innocent III or Pius IX with less honor than the last three popes? Really?

[vladimir998]

“Yet I also see traditional Catholics defend TLM which is on the verge of being idolatry of a certain mass rite.”

Ouch! That’ll leave a mark.

[Biggirl]

What troubles me is putting one rite down over a another.

Forgive me for being so hard, very exhusted from a busy Holy Easter weekend.