Posted on 04/03/2014 4:52:36 PM PDT by Rashputin
Uri’el, ES is counting days as the pagans do.
Can you answer the question i posed in post #44. If a Jewish boy is born on the 14th day, on what day must he be circumcised on according to YHvH?
Sundown wednesday begins day one, and sundown saturday ends day three.
LOL, how do you ignore He was in the earth before sundown wednesday, so that is day one, and was still in the earth on sundown saturday which would be day five?
this will become all very clear if you would just answer my question in post #44.
It's not past tense. Jesus still lives today.
isn’t it amazing that these guys who talk about “Yeshua” and “Aviv”, don’t understand how the Jews counted days in order to determine when the third day was??
I really didn’t want to come back to this thread.
It bothered me so much last night that I even dreamed of a funeral and some motorcycles around it for some reason ... seriously.
So I pinged you because I seen you once before, long ago, explain the 3 day/ 3 night, and I felt someone needed help. I wasn’t even debating that subject but I got included anyways.
So, where should I begin? I’ll start with the days.
When I first to come to know the Lord, a lot of things didn’t make sense to me. Especially the idea of a Friday crucifixion and a resurrection Sunday. It just didn’t add up. So I tried to back it up and I came to Wednesday. It made sense.
Wednesday sundown to Thursday sundown was the 1st day.
Thursday sundown to Friday sundown was the 2nd day.
Friday sundown to Saturday sundown was the 3rd day.
All equaling: 3 days + 3 nights and sometime during that 3rd night He resurrected. His tomb was empty already when they came in the morning. What time it happened at on Saturday night I don’t know, and I guess at this point in my life, it doesn’t bother me anymore because I get it now. There is no Friday crucifixion living in my puny little head any longer.
The next thing I need to address is easter.
I never understood that either + I did a lot of digging too.
So many mythological tales, and pagan gods and fertility goddesses that I came across really shocked me. I asked myself what does this have to do with the death and resurrection of our Lord and Saviour.
I found things like Nimrod, Semiramis, Astarte, Eostre, Ishtar, Ostara, Ashtoreth, and there was even Tammuz who was the son/husband/lover who got killed by a wild boar during the winter and he resurrects each spring.
There was even a story about an egg that fell from heaven into the Euphrates. I guess that’s where the easter egg was born from and the bunny is included too for it’s fertile efforts of lovemaking.
All these pantheons of Assyrian, Babylonian, Canaanite, and Phonecian “sun gods and moon goddesses” figure into this grand scheme with their same similarities of fertility rites of death, and resurrection in the springtime. There’s even sexual orgies and such too.
So then I looked in Scripture, and sure enough, I find women baking cakes to the “queen of heaven”, and the women weeping for “Tammuz”. Some peeps even had their backs to the Lords temple and were worshiping the Eastern Sunrise = the east star = easter.
The Lord was some kind of mad over all that garbage being done and even sent some peeps to deal with them too after He had one of His Angels go around with an inkwell to mark those who were innocent of it all. It woke me up big time and I’m like wow, why do they teach this then in Christianity as if it’s alright? Because it sure ain’t alright.
Here are the passages that speak about some of those things:
Jeremiah 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead [their] dough, to make cakes to the “queen of heaven”, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
Ezekiel 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD’S house which [was] toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
Ezekiel 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD’S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, [were] about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshiped the sun toward the east.
That above verse in Ezekiel 8:16 really got me.
Because the sun is a star, and they worship this east-star. It also reminded me of all those easter sunrise services I kept hearing about at some churches.
Now I guess that leaves me with Passover.
I knew somehow it was in the spring.
I also knew it had nothing to do with a pagan easter.
But what I didn’t know was, when does it take place?
You see our calculation of time is all screwed up.
So many different peeps going by so many different methods and calendars. Even the islamic calendar is still in the year 1400 or something, if I remember correctly.
Some even base their special events according to the moon, or the sun, or what season their crops grow and such.
I think it was said too, that even our western calendar lost a few days when it was instituted, and even the Jewish calendar has to do some balancing out too at certain times.
Well I didn’t want to follow a moon or lunar calendar.
I don’t see myself as a child of the night or darkness.
I see myself as a child of the day or light.
So, I use a sun or solar calendar.
That brings us back to Passover again.
Some say you need to go by the Jewish Passover date.
But I don’t follow a Jewish lunar calendar.
I follow a Christian solar calendar and a Christian Passover.
The vernal or spring equinox is when the day and night are equal in time, and since I’m stuck in the middle of time here, what better way to square it up then on the first day of spring when the day and night are equal.
That would put me right at the center of a equal day in both day and night. How that would relate to pagan I don’t know, because the sun, the moon, and stars are given for signs, times and seasons. Does that make me wrong? I don’t know either, but I’m sure the Lord will sift and sort me out one way or another.
I know by reckoning it that way with 15 days added to it put it at April 4, 2014 this year, and that would run sundown Thursday April 3 to sundown Friday April 4th.
That easter Sunday that some others follow isn’t even close to the Christian Passover this year because easter Sunday is on April 20th, 2014, and the Jewish Passover is on April 15th, 2014.
Also, another reason I don’t follow a Jewish calendar of days reckoning, and I’m not sure if anyone noticed this, but did you happen to see the month of Tammuz in the Jewish calendar? Well that freaks me out because of what I read in Ezekiel 8:14.
But I don’t discriminate unfairly because even the western solar calendar freaks me out with all the days of the week named after mythological gods/goddesses/planets.
It’s like I’m stuck between times here, and its all been corrupted one way or another. I don’t like being stuck. I like to be sure of what I follow so I won’t get lost on the way.
So here I sit, doing my best to be pleasing to the Lord, trying to sort out times + times and then some, and all I can say is, “Lord, you know my heart, and you know my mind, lead me, guide me, and give me the strength to endure”.
That’s all I can say about it all. I pleaded my case.
I love the Lord. I don’t want to be a disappointment.
I don’t want to mislead others either, and that’s why I tell all of my peeps, “don’t follow me, follow the Lord”.
If you made it this far in my lengthy response, thank you for hearing me out, and I still have a lot to learn, because the Lord isn’t done yet in His shaping and molding me of where He wants me to be, and not where the world thinks I should be.
I’ve barely scraped the surface of it all, and if you want to know how I truly feel about all these “Holidays”, there is a post I made a year or so ago in the archives of my profile and it will give you even more insight as to why I approach these things the way I do.
Take care my friend, and keep the Light on, so we don’t all get lost, in the dark side of this world, that we have come to known.
Because "three days and three nights " is literal, but This "IS" my body is a metaphor.
Yes, his body IS the temple,
He is the Word made flesh on the Earth, the temple made of stone in Jerusalem was nothing but a shadow of a future promise made manifest in the Earth with the Holy Laws and Ordinances which he fulfilled and stood right in front of them knowing they did not understand those same words, and he arrived with the promise of so prophetic a fulfillment, that Israel was held accountable for not knowing it and their house was left desolate until he ‘yet chooses them again’ at the close of the age,
‘When the Lord shall build up Zion, he will appear in his Glory’ - Psalm 102
The timing element in Daniel Chapter 9 was so direct, so powerful and so precise that Gabriel was blocked by Satan for 21 days before he could deliver this information. Why did Satan fight so hard to prevent this, because he knew that once it became scripture (that is that Daniel records this information as a Prophet of Israel) that ‘not one jot or tittle’ could be moved later,
Jesus now sits at the right hand of the father [until] he makes the Kingdoms of this world his footstool, which is whats occurring in Revelation Chapters 4, 5 and 6. The court is in session deliberating over the ownership of the Earth as the timing mechanism under the law enacted on the Earth (the Jubilee) is being completed, (with the fullness of the Gentiles)
This is a completely false statement. I alone have explained it countless times on these threads. the term "Day and night" describes any portion of a 24 hour period. This is according to Jewish reckoning of the time. Go to Askmoses.com speak to a rabbi that is an expert on History.
From a non Catholic site citing scripture as well.
http://www.letusreason.org/Doct10.htm
1 Cor. 15:3-4: “ For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures and that he was buried and that He rose again the the third day according to the Scriptures.”
(Acts10:39-40) “And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem, whom they killed by hanging on a tree. “Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly. ”
Luke 24:21-23 “But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened. “Yes, and certain women of our company, who arrived at the tomb early, astonished us. When they did not find His body, they came saying that they had also seen a vision of angels who said He was alive.”
Jesus also made it clear from his own mouth, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. ”He was speaking of the temple of His body” (John 2:19–21).
The moon is Yehova’s timepiece.
All of his months (moons) begin with the new moon.
Nothing about the sun is “Christian,” it is the very heart of all things pagan (sun god Tammuz,Mythra, Nimrod, etc)
There is no “christian” Passover, but the true Passover on the 15th day of the month of the aviv. All things of our Lord are the things he gave to us at Sinai in his Torah. That is why Yeshua spent so much of his time reinforcing his Torah and his feasts. Everything Yeshua did was related to one of his feasts. That is what real “Christianity” was until the pagan Romans confused it with their pagan nonsense.
>> “ the term “Day and night” describes any portion of a 24 hour period.” <<
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That is just repeating Satan’s lie.
Yehova’s days and nights are defined by the setting of the sun. Yeshua stated clearly that his 3 days and nights in the tomb would be exactly as Jonah’s 3 days and nights in the belly of the fish.
There is no “Jewish reckoning of time” in the scriptures that in any way conflicts with that prophecy. What you call Jewish reckoning of time is just Pharisaical hogwash that Yeshua took with him to the cross.
That is what is “according to the scriptures.”
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>> “LOL, how do you ignore He was in the earth before sundown wednesday, so that is day one...” <<
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If you wish to worship Satan, that would be his method.
Yeshua’s method is as he stated, “as it was with the prophet Jonah” 3 days and 3 nights.
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You are counting as the pagans do!
All of Yehova’s days begin and end at sunset.
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I'm sure you can find the answer in Genesis 17 : 10-14
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
ok, here is the answer to the question posed to ES in post #44 that he does not want any part of -
a jewish boy born on the 14th of nisan MUST be circumcised on the eighth day as Uriel points out as commanded by Genesis 17. the eighth day is the 21st of nisan and here is how that is calculated:
nisan 14 - day one ( our wednesday )
nisan 15 - day two ( our thursday )
nisan 16 - day three ( our friday )
nisan 17 - day four ( our saturday )
nisan 18 - day five ( our sunday )
nisan 19 - day six ( our monday )
nisan 20 - day seven ( our tuesday )
nisan 21 - day eight ( our wednesday )
well, well, we can now visually see why ES ran did not and could not answer the question -
if Jesus died on nisan 14 and rose on nisan 18, THAT WOULD BE DAY FIVE. THE SCRIPTURES SAY OVER AND OVER, JESUS ROSE ON THE THIRD DAY.
We must count days as the Scriptures do and as the Jews would have when they heard Jesus declare HE WOULD RISE ON THE THIRD DAY.
let’s look at how Jesus counted days...suppose Jesus was speaking in Luke 13:32 on nisan 14, on what day would he finish his course?
nisan 14 - today
nisan 15 - tomorrow
nisan 16 - the third day
this is entirely consistent with the chart above used to calculate when is the eighth day for circumcision.
Christians and Jews can both count to three, cultists seem to have trouble with this for some reason.
According to the Scriptures and the 2,000 year teaching of the Universal Church, here is how the three days is calculated:
nisan 15 - friday - day one
nisan 16 - sabbath - day two
nisan 17 - first day of the week - THE THIRD DAY
sorry folks, i can’t make it any plainer than that.
As usual you have struck out.
The days of the Biblical month do not correspond to any pagan day. They are counted from the new moon, as it is sighted on the temple mount in Jerusalem at sunset.
Where you got the cockamamie idea that there could be any correspondence is just another one for the funny-farm.
Yes you have made it plain that you have no understanding of the scriptures. The 8 days have to be full days, as it is the time that is required for the child’s blood to be able to coagulate. This requires 8 full days, so the circumcision would be performed as close as possible to that 192 hour period.
Yeshua rose on the 3rd sunset following Passover, which is being on sunset at the end of the 17th day. The scriptures do not specifically call out which day of the week he was crucified, but it is clear that since he arose at the beginning of the first day of the week, Passover fell on the 5th day of the week, a simple calculation.
The information contained in the gospels also confirms this fact indirectly, inasmuch as the day following Passover was a normal business day, permitting the burial materials to be purchased.
When one argues with these facts, they show their own ignorance of the Hebrew lifestyle and Torah requirements.
2. How do I calculate when the eighth day is?
The best thing to do is to speak to the mohel first who will advise you of the correct and proper day for the bris. Do this before calling the caterer or informing the guests. There are a number of exceptions to the eighth day rule and I have had to unschedule brisses that had been scheduled for the wrong day.
The day of birth counts as the first day. Jewish days begin and end with sunset. Brisses are performed during the daylight hours only and never at night. The preferred custom is to perform the bris in the morning as we are anxious to perform the mitzvah, but the entire day is available to do the bris. (In the New York area, the last bris of the day in the winter is around 4:00 P.M. During the summer, the last bris of the day is around 8:00 P.M. — the sun is still up.)
A baby born on a Monday will have his bris the following Monday. A baby born Monday night after it’s dark will have his bris the following Tuesday. A baby born Friday evening (after sunset, but before it’s dark) is called a “twilight baby” — the proper day for his bris is the following Sunday. A baby born by caesarian section on Friday night or Saturday will have his bris the following Sunday. A baby born by caesarian section where the bris coincides the following week with a holiday or festival will have his bris on the next available weekday. (This is one of the exceptions to the eighth day rule. The rabbis defined a caesarian section differently than a regular birth in that the bris of a baby born by c-section does not supercede the Sabbath or holiday. One birth scenario is neither inferior to nor superior to the other.) If the baby is not well, we delay the bris until he is well. There are specific rules for scheduling a delayed bris for a baby who was ill, so please speak to the mohel to determine the correct day.
We do brisses on all major holidays and festivals including Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur and the Shabbat assuming there is a mohel who is able to walk to the bris. If you live in an area where there is no local mohel and your son’s bris coincides with the Sabbath or a Jewish holiday and you cannot import a reliable, observant mohel to your neighborhood, it is a better religious decision and religiously preferred to delay the bris to the ninth or tenth day. That will
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from cantor philip l sherman.
Jews know nothing of “full days”! any part of a day counts as a full day.
I don’t know any Jewish freepers, but have pinged the RM to see if he can ping some Jewish FRiends to explain to you once and for all HOW JEWS COUNT DAYS!
I have told several of them to go to Askmoses.com and speak to one of the Rabbis there. That they refuse to says quite a bit.
i would laugh if it wasn’t so sad. look at this statement, no scriptural proof is provided, just pulled from the air apparently:
The 8 days have to be full days, as it is the time that is required for the child’s blood to be able to coagulate. This requires 8 full days, so the circumcision would be performed as close as possible to that 192 hour period.
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The Brit must be performed on the eighth day from the baby’s birth, taking into consideration that on the Jewish calendar, the day begins with the previous night.
For instance: If the child is born on Sunday before sunset then the Brit is on the following Sunday. However if the child is born Sunday after sunset then the Brit is performed on the following Monday.1
Obviously if the child is unwell then the circumcision is postponed until it is medically feasible for the child to undergo the circumcision.
from the website askmoses.com
Again confirming WHEN JEWS COUNT DAYS, TODAY IS DAY ONE.
Note what the rabbi says, if a baby is born on sunday, the eighth day is the following sunday. the date of birth is DAY ONE.
Also note, nothing about blood coogulating or 192 hours, cultic nonsense!!
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