Is this the Holy Grail?

The Deacon's Bench ^ | April 1, 2014 | Deacon Greg Kandra

[NYer]

Jesus’ cup is His teachings, the wine is the grace that flows to a person who follows those teachings.

John 6

[Sacajaweau]

Who knew enough to hide the cup away since the most spectacular events were to come.

[Carpe Cerevisi]

For shame, for shame. My apologies to all the Indy fans.

[angryoldfatman]

Goblets weren’t used by common folk in 30 AD. The Romans had begun small-scale mass production of decorated pottery preceding that time period using molds and pressed clay.

Christ’s cup was most likely a small red bowl. A stackable, uniformed-sized one like in the link below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Roman_pottery_South_Gaulish_samian_ware.jpg

Besides, veneration of objects surrounding the life, death, and resurrection of Christ is foolish, in my opinion. It is the very fact that He lived, died, and rose again, and why He did it, that we should celebrate, not a splinter of wood, a piece of cloth, or an old cup.

[NYer]

It could be. The medieval gold trimming and the jewels were added afterward. Underneath, you can see that it’s just a plain ceramic chalice, of the kind used at the time of Jesus.

Bingo!

Unveiling their findings last Wednesday, the two explained that they found documents referencing the chalice at Cairo’s University of al-Azhar while researching the history if Islamic remains at the Basilica of San Isidoro, the Irish Times reported.

The documents, written in Arabic, reportedly say that Muslims stole the chalice from Jerusalem and that it was given to Christians in Egypt. Then, they claim it was somehow sent to King Fernando I of Castile as a gift, disguised with jewels and other adornments.

The historians admit that they cannot prove the chalice touched Christ’s lips, nor can they pinpoint the first 400 years of its history. That said, they claim to have used a scientific dating method to determine that the chalice was likely made between 200 B.C. and A.D. 100.

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As often happens on FR, the residents race to comment on titles and pix .. the heck with the content.

[Forward the Light Brigade]

Has anyone been healed by the cup? Has any supernatural things happened around the cup? Has it saved anyones life? If it is the real cup it should have all sorts of spiritual power! This is just a fancy cup.

[centurion316]

is no one reading the article?

Reading the article is strictly against the rules of FR. You could get banned for doing that. You even lose points for reading the excerpt before posting a response. The approved approach is to respond to a randomly chosen post without even reading that title. Bonus points for doing that.

[dangerdoc]

Beside the point, but I was taught that riding a donkey at that time was a sign of his nobility, not poverty.

[nikos1121]

I can say without a doubt that Jesus did not drink from some gaudy drinking cup. Nice try. It’s April Fool’s Day so let’s file it under that.

[Doomonyou]

You are forgiven my son.

[5th MEB]

Jesus The Christ was an unemployed carpenter at the time of his arrest and crucifixion. I doubt very much that he would have been in possession of a cup like that.

[Exeter]

Sir Robin: Ask me the questions, bridgekeeper. I’m not afraid.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your name?

Sir Robin: Sir Robin of Camelot.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?

Sir Robin: To seek the Holy Grail.

Bridgekeeper: What... is the capital of Assyria?

[pause]

Sir Robin: I don’t know that.

[he is thrown over the edge into the volcano]

Sir Robin: Auuuuuuuugh.

(Sorry, I just couldn’t resist...)

[5th MEB]

Nah, that was the Ark Of The Covenant.

[BBB333]

“Is it dishwasher safe...”

Apparently not as it has affixed to the bottom a sticker that reads: ‘Warning: Do not put the boiling liquid into the merchandise.’

[Scoutmaster]

Hmm. The only Holy Grail for which I've ever seen something remotely resembling a providence is in the Cathedral of Valencia, Spain, said to have been brought from Rome by St. Lawrence in the fourth century.

http://www.valenciavalencia.com/sights-guide/holy-grail-valencia.htm

https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=6985

http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features/jbennett_part1_oct04.asp

Bing "Valencia Holy Grail" or "St. Lawrence Holy Grail" for more articles.

I'm a skeptic, but among claimed "Holy Grails," the one from Valencia has the best backstory. It's made of agate and is similar to agate cups from Jerusalem, dating 1-50 AD, exhibited in the British Museum.

Some scholars claim that porous cups, such as wood or pottery, were forbidden for use at Passover because they could not be "clean."

Just some random thoughts.

[NYer]

I doubt very much that he would have been in possession of a cup like that.

A cup like what? With gold and jewels? Did you actually read the article or simply look at the photo and then post your comment? Had you read the article, you would have learned that the cup is made of alabaster and dates to the 1st century. The gold and jewels are part of a 2nd cup that holds the original. Did you not catch this?

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

I am always skeptical of relics;Gibbon reported enough claimed pieces of “The True Cross” to make a sizable wooden fleet. There has always been lots of relics to stimulate donations by poor souls.

[Secret Agent Man]

i agree it looks like the gold and jewel part of the cup was added OVER a much more plainer cup.

I think that gold and jewels were added over it much later. some tests could determine the age ranges of each.

the search for a cup Jesus drank from is meaningless. what Christ did for us is what is critical.

[cloudmountain]

I doubt that this is the Holy Grail.

The "grail" would be fancy as it was used for a special occasion. But, all those jewels?
It DOES have a "beaten-up" look but I DON'T think it's the Real McCoy.
Do YOU?

[Georgia Girl 2]

Agreed. In Jesus time and station in life the goblet he drank from at the last supper was likely made of ceramic or wood.