Posted on 02/20/2014 6:07:12 AM PST by marshmallow
A Catholic chaplain at MedStar Washington Hospital Center stopped delivering a 63-year-old heart attack patient Communion prayers and last rites after the man said he was gay, the patient said Wednesday, describing a dramatic bedside scene starting with him citing Pope Francis and ending with him swearing at the cleric.
Details of the exchange earlier this month between the Rev. Brian Coelho and retired travel agent Ronald Plishka couldn’t be confirmed with the priest, who did not respond to a direct e-mail or to requests left with the hospital and the archdiocese. The archdiocese of Washington, for whom he works, declined to comment and said Coelho “is not doing interviews.” The bedside discussion was first reported Monday in the Washington Blade.
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“I am not Catholic, But I totally agree with the priest.
An Unrepentant Sinner is not entitled to a Sacrament that includes repenting of sin.
The Catholic Church says Homosexuality is a sin, and needs to be confessed as such in order to receive Communion.
If this guy did not deem it a sin, he wouldn’t have brought it up and just would have quietly taken Communion.
It would seem that he was “Double-Dog-Daring” the Priest to refuse him.
And he is still alive, so he probably didn’t need the Last Rites anyway.
I am so sick of these “In-Your-Face” set-ups and attacks against people of faith.”
A very lucid and correct explanation, better than most nominal Catholics could argue.
Thank you, and Well Done.
“I am not Catholic, But I totally agree with the priest.
An Unrepentant Sinner is not entitled to a Sacrament that includes repenting of sin.
The Catholic Church says Homosexuality is a sin, and needs to be confessed as such in order to receive Communion.
If this guy did not deem it a sin, he wouldn’t have brought it up and just would have quietly taken Communion.
It would seem that he was “Double-Dog-Daring” the Priest to refuse him.
And he is still alive, so he probably didn’t need the Last Rites anyway.
I am so sick of these “In-Your-Face” set-ups and attacks against people of faith.”
A very lucid and correct explanation, better than most nominal Catholics could argue.
Thank you, and Well Done.
It’s a matter of not being obligated.
But it’s also not wanting to contribute to mortal sin. The priest certainly wants the guy to gain eternal salvation.
Taking communion in the state of mortal sin is itself a mortal sin. The priest would never want to do that to this guy.
If the guy says he’s unrepentant after stating his sin, the priest can be sure he is in mortal sin. The priest endangers his own soul by administering communion.
The left will soon want to force people to do things like that.
This man should know that if he truly repents of his sins he can be saved, it doesn’t matter what the priest does.
I don’t think he will repent though, he still apparently wraps his identity in his sin.
I certainly wish the homosexuals would keep it to themselves
snd now a priest is to put someone’s personal beliefs above the beliefs they have taken a vow to uphold???
and they say the “gay” agenda is not about denying everyone their own beliefs and their right to them
sorry - tolerance ONLY means I accept someone’s legal right to hold views that I do not agree with, it does not mean I “accept” those views or demonstrate acceptance of them, or act in support of them, or act in any way that participates with them
agreeing to the right to hold the views that are yours, is not an agreement with those views and it is not a recognition of right that MY behavior must change in deference to your views
The following is from the Catechism. Also in church teaching is the idea that Catholics do not judge others and other religions. The consideration is that God judges people (God alone) based on what they know, on what their exposure is.
The Catholic Church does not say that Baptists or Presbyterians or so should confess their sins to a priest.
You can say they do, and you can maybe cite examples of misguided Catholics doing so, or you can impose intentions on the Church and pretend that it does other than what its rules are, but that would be doing what a lot of people do, placing intentions on the Church that are consistent with our corrupt politicians or pretending that Catholics go around saying others are going to Hell for not being and acting Catholic.
The Church teaching is that Catholics are judged as Catholics, that is, once baptized and having had the other sacraments, judgement is that of Catholic. THis guy knows that, but he’s not over the idea that Catholicism is democratic and yelling at people to change it works. It does not.
Catholicism does not say that others must confess to a priest to get to Heaven. it just doesn’t. If you don’t like that Catholics follow the Church teaching and go to a priest for reconciliation, talk to a priest and find out all about what it is you are talking about.
The following quotes Jesus, and it’s from the Catechism (of the Catholic Church, not the Lutheran Church not the Episcopal, etc., who mind their business as the Church does hers):
Reconciliation with the Church
1443 During his public life Jesus not only forgave sins, but also made plain the effect of this forgiveness: he reintegrated forgiven sinners into the community of the People of God from which sin had alienated or even excluded them. A remarkable sign of this is the fact that Jesus receives sinners at his table, a gesture that expresses in an astonishing way both God’s forgiveness and the return to the bosom of the People of God.44
1444 In imparting to his apostles his own power to forgive sins the Lord also gives them the authority to reconcile sinners with the Church. This ecclesial dimension of their task is expressed most notably in Christ’s solemn words to Simon Peter: “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”45 “The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of the apostles united to its head.”46
1445 The words bind and loose mean: whomever you exclude from your communion, will be excluded from communion with God; whomever you receive anew into your communion, God will welcome back into his. Reconciliation with the Church is inseparable from reconciliation with God.
What is true?
The Catechism on this:
Chastity and homosexuality
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.”142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
Matters that can be taken up with a simple consultation of the Catechism soon fizzle out in the media.
Many journalists are baptized Catholic and had received first Communion, with all of it’s teachings, which they learned. They know. They may fight it, but they know. They know they can’t win the argument.
It gets dropped.
None of these people talk to priests. None of the anti-Catholics on this forum, for all their points and arguments will talk to a priest.
They’d rather ignore them, make fun of them, judge them, and marginalize them.
Especially if they are baptized catholic and had received communion.
They will not talk to a priest until they are ready to confess.
They are this guy.
If a priest ever reveals what went on in confession he is automatically excommunicated.
He cannot do it.
And it’s not a matter of declaration of excommunication, it’s a matter of not being in communion with the church, and receiving communion in that state adds to the sin, ditto nancy Pelosi.
You are if you are Catholic. It’s right in the catechism The easiest thing to google in the world.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm
And the priest’s quote alluding to that, would be valuable.
“You don’t stop being Catholic just because you’re a sinner — even a very bad one. You stop being Catholic when you abandon the Catholic faith in a definitive and permanent way.”
If sinners are contrite and sincere in trying to repent and live a good life they will be forgiven. If someones brags about a sinful lifestyle and considers himself above living a holy life he will not. If someone is so proud of his sins that he would yell at, insult and curse at a priest he had called who has come to give him a sacrament, the same priest who offered to pray with him, he is not a Catholic in any but the most superficial and phony sense.
Mr. Plishka, as you probably know better than I, a big part of that rite is that you’re supposed to be contrite for your sins.
...Well?
Good article by Phil Lawlor on this...http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/the-city-gates.cfm?id=740
“It’s all of our business; you libertarians don’t think much, it seems; it’s all freedom without contemplation of consequences on children or society as a whole.”
You talkin’ to me?! If so, boy, did you dial the wrong number!
I wasn’t speaking solely of homosexuality, I was talking about sexuality in general. It’s a private matter. And it’s extremely gauche and rude to shove it the face of the public.
Gay activists will NOT be happy until we all declare homosexuality “normal”. Which is impossible, because it ain’t. It’s not the way we were designed, and the math doesn’t support this notion either.
And they probably won’t be happy even then. Some of the unhappiest people I know refer to themselves as “gay”.
Go figure.
Not correct.
Imperfect contrition is always sufficient in Confession.
“Last Rites” is the unofficial term for Confession, Anointing, Viaticum, and the Apostolic Pardon. The Apostolic Pardon is given only in extremis.
Yeah, I’ve had about 4 others point that out. My goof. :) Thanks for taking the time to address this.
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