Posted on 12/16/2013 3:41:05 PM PST by NYer
>You’re the loose cannon on this thread, just look around.<
Another attack ... (yawn)
>Well said and it is remarkable how few people “get it”. In order for a true “Utopia” to come about, the sin nature of man must be utterly eliminated. Until that happens, all attempts at creating it will be futile.<
Worse than that - counterproductive, and often harmful. Hundreds of millions murdered by secular despots of the last century attempting to create their own utopias are a testament to this.
Appreciate the description. But, Deprogram Liberalism’s post is to the point. Distributism wants it both ways, private ownership, govt. management of the private business through interdiction... ie. distributism is a form of fascism (govt. approved “private” businesses “allowed” to thrive) just as marxism is a collectivist fascism. It is all statist driven. Case of the Church, at least the potential exists for people of kinder hearts and spiritual belief to run things (but that has not proven to always be the case in the past— see Richelieu).
Yup.
And you know— the chickens he had didn’t think he was very nice either (LOL). Conceptually reducing the “lesser” masses not of the aryan strain to chickens to be “dealt with”. A lovely simpleton of a man— what happens when you elevate ticket takers to high office.
Prayers for your family Trish ((((Hugs))))
Better to stay calm and off these threads till you feel better.(((((Hugs)))))
Thank you, fatima. :)
It would be nice if these religious leaders that feel the need to pontificate on political or economic issues would be champions of freedom. If they truly desire less poverty, better health care, evangelism unhindered, or even a more educated population, work towards creating a limited government with maximum freedom. A more massive and oppressive nanny state, in whatever “ism” is trendy this week at your local seminary, will not improve the lives of the people one bit.
The benefits of liberty should be obvious in the history of the US, with its remarkable prosperity and quick rise to a global power. And as freedom has been restricted, and the state nationalizes industries, everybody suffers. Is education better than it was 50 years ago? Will health care be as good a decade from now? Do we have less poverty, or more religious freedom than we had 50 years ago?
What has bothered me about the pontiff’s clarifications on this topic, is that it can hardly be construed as a ringing endorsement for freedom. Liberty is a good thing - and its scriptural. If you really care about people and the Gospel, get people FREE!
I pray it all is resolved and there is no cancer.
I agree. People sometimes have a tendency to idolize capitalism, and unrestrained capitalism is crony-ism, and the incestuous relationship we have now with fedgov/corporations is rotten to the core and destructive in many ways. Nothing to idolize.
Thank you.
Distributism is not redistribution. Unfortunate name. It's really the opposite--it is based on the idea that the average guy should be his own boss, if possible, and that most of the economy should be dominated by small business. Control should be very local, not handed down from huge centralized government. Some of the ideas reflect what life was like in the US two hundred years ago. It's conservative in many ways. Homeschooling and lack of federal regulation are consistent with distributism. A lovely idea, though not one that will ever take place unless this country collapses altogether.
Well, then there's a good chance it can work again!
Well said.
The Pope didn’t respond to Rush.His name was never said in the interview.The Pope doesn’t even know who Rush is.Hey Rush every time you say the Pope’s name you lose a listener.
Jesus didn't just speak "alot" on the topic of money and finances --- He spoke about it more than any other subject in the Bible.
That's just fact. Now that begs the question: Why did He speak about money more than any other topic?
A most excellent point and post. Distributism assumes the control of the economy by an “authority” with private ownership. Fascism defined.
Wrong. There is no such thing as "unrestrained capitalism". There will always be regulations. Cronyism is a type of modern corporatism which is an offshoot of progressive-fascism. The closest thing to unrestrained capitalism was during the Roaring Twenties - the greatest decade of prosperity in the history of mankind (get the name?). Free market capitalism is the only economic system where everyone is afforded equal opportunity. It is the only system that provides for liberty. It is not the system that is the problem. Sinners are the problem. Collectivism attempts to limit the harm of sinners by limiting the economic freedom of the system. It doesn't work. Collectivism will never work (progressive-fascism is just another type of collectivism). There will always be sinners on earth as it is now. No economic system can eliminate the damage they do. But free market capitalism offers the most freedom in a world of sinners. It offers the most opportunity. To think that implementing the right collective economic system will eliminate the damage of sinners is naive. It is a belief that we can have utopia - a pipedream that Stalin, Hitler and dozens of other despots of the twentieth century have proven to be unattainable, and even detrimental, with the mass murder of hundreds of millions in the attempt to make it happen.
>A most excellent point and post. Distributism assumes the control of the economy by an “authority” with private ownership. Fascism defined.<
Yup.
>The Pope didn’t respond to Rush.His name was never said in the interview.The Pope doesn’t even know who Rush is.Hey Rush every time you say the Pope’s name you lose a listener.<
Of course he didn’t - he didn’t have to. Have you never heard of “reading between the lines”? It is obvious that he was referring to Rush when he spoke of Marxists. Why didn’t you get it?
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