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To: daniel1212
Thus not only is good and evil determined by the objectively baseless s (no transcendent material standard) moral reasoning of atheism, but according to its like jurisprudence, reward and punishment only occurs in this life, without an eternity to rectify the injustice that occurs therein (even if you disagree with that which is revealed in Scripture).

This is why I support the death penalty. I have no belief in an afterlife; as far as I know, this life is all we get. That being the case, murder is the ultimate crime, and deserves the ultimate punishment.

103 posted on 12/08/2013 3:32:13 PM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell
This is why I support the death penalty. I have no belief in an afterlife; as far as I know, this life is all we get. That being the case, murder is the ultimate crime, and deserves the ultimate punishment.

Glad you say this, as i meant to ping you. You are part way there, but how many get what they deserve? (Esp. in politics.) This still leaves massive injustice, not only for what evil we affected here, but in God's realm it effects eternity, and has eternal ramifications.

Then there is the problem of having no proven transcendent moral standard common to atheists, outside their own varied moral reasoning.

116 posted on 12/08/2013 3:59:32 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Kip Russell; daniel1212

Atheism can’t have an ultimate crime. There is no final arbiter of who deserves what. Its all just Nietzsche on steroids. Out of the chaos, you impose your own order. If you win, or if you lose, there is no deserving. There is only a temporary hanging on to temporary goals, and goals that have no accessible meaning. They just are.

So if Jeff Dahmer likes to put people in his freezer, we only say he’s wrong because we don’t personally benefit from having people like him in the neighborhood. But to “deserve” something is to infer an arbiter, and there is none, according to atheism.

It’s one of the reasons I’m no longer an atheist. I know there is such a thing as “deserve.” It stands there on the otherwise unblemished surface of a supposedly pure rationality and demands an accounting. We base nearly everything on it, yet every explanation of it that omits the idea of the Ultimate Arbiter can be shown to be self-contradictory. It is maddening. Or else perhaps instructive.


151 posted on 12/08/2013 10:02:22 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Kip Russell
That being the case, murder is the ultimate crime, and deserves the ultimate punishment.

Who says it's a crime...Why is it a crime??? Because you say so??? What's wrong with the survival of the fittest???

174 posted on 12/09/2013 6:29:20 AM PST by Iscool
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