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To: Kip Russell
This is why I support the death penalty. I have no belief in an afterlife; as far as I know, this life is all we get. That being the case, murder is the ultimate crime, and deserves the ultimate punishment.

Glad you say this, as i meant to ping you. You are part way there, but how many get what they deserve? (Esp. in politics.) This still leaves massive injustice, not only for what evil we affected here, but in God's realm it effects eternity, and has eternal ramifications.

Then there is the problem of having no proven transcendent moral standard common to atheists, outside their own varied moral reasoning.

116 posted on 12/08/2013 3:59:32 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
Glad you say this, as i meant to ping you. You are part way there, but how many get what they deserve? (Esp. in politics.)

Not nearly enough; the death penalty is a joke in most states (such as my state of Colorado) these days.

This still leaves massive injustice, not only for what evil we affected here,

This is the historic norm, is it not?

but in God's realm it effects eternity, and has eternal ramifications.

I have no belief in such things.

Then there is the problem of having no proven transcendent moral standard common to atheists, outside their own varied moral reasoning.

No man is an island...even atheists such as myself are enormously influenced by the society the grow up in and (if they're philosophically adventurous enough) those whose writings influence them. My default position on most things is the writings of Robert A. Heinlein. From my point of view, he just makes sense. That's not to say I consider his writings to be the Gospel, but they have influenced me.

As for a transcendent moral standard...as far as I know there's no such thing. Some (most) may claim they have access to it, but of course there's the problem of the guy down the block who says he has the Real Truth (you heathen!). To quote Heinlein: "One man's religion is another man's belly laugh".

See the "Argument from inconsistent revelations" for more on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_inconsistent_revelations

And on that note, I'm going to have to call it a day. Fun thread!

123 posted on 12/08/2013 4:26:04 PM PST by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: daniel1212

Moral relativism rules in such an environment without absolutes. It is the “survival of the fitest” moral compass. If one or a few can attain the influence and power to project their system on others, they become the “absolute” for good or bad.


138 posted on 12/08/2013 5:38:56 PM PST by redleghunter
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