It's Sad How Wrong Pope Francis Is (Unless It's a Deliberate Mistranslation By Leftists)

Rushlimbaugh.com ^ | November 27, 2013

[Mr Rogers]

“He is asking for genuine Charity.”

No. He is specifically asking STATES to do it. He encourages us “...to ponder the words of one of the sages of antiquity: “Not to share one’s wealth with the poor is to steal from them and to take away their livelihood. It is not our own goods which we hold, but theirs”.

No. I didn’t TAKE anything from the poor. I worked, and saved, and was careful about my spending, and did some very un-fun jobs. I didn’t rob from the poor to make me rich, or even middle class. I worked. I married, and stayed married. I saved. I went without so I would have money to save.

I give, but I do not need or accept the idea of Nancy Pelosi telling who to give to, or how much. I cannot make many of the poor wealthier, because many are poor due to their lifestyle.

“We need to be convinced that charity “is the principle not only of micro-relationships (with friends, with family members or within small groups) but also of macro-relationships (social, economic and political ones)”.[175] I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor! It is vital that government leaders and financial leaders take heed and broaden their horizons, working to ensure that all citizens have dignified work, education and healthcare...”

Charity is NOT government taking from me to give to people they like more than me.

[humblegunner]

Or maybe this new rookie pope is some kind of socialist.

Rather to correct you mild correction only your opinion.

[ClearBlueSky]

My family has been Roman Catholic since the 14th century. One distant ancestor( French) has a Pope in her bloodline. When I heard about Francis my first reaction was ‘GOOD! Not an Italian!’ My second was- “Uh oh, a JESUIT!”
Read up on Jesuits. They’ve been the MOST LIBERAL order forever, the socialists of the Church. None of this surprises me. It sounds kind and good in principle, but it practice it is liberal and socialist and will weaken the Church further,IMO.

[Salvation]

Think about Bill and Melida Gates and how they use their millions to support abortion, for example.

Capitalism isn’t always perfect, because some people are greedy and some people have no sense or good judgment. The Gates are one example.

[ottbmare]

Don't think for a moment that Rush and his highly efficient staff didn't thoroughly research for translation, context, totality, etc. of the Pope's remarks.

If you heard Rush's monologue today, he said repeatedly that he had not read the document, it is very long and he is relying on mainstream media reports. He asked his listeners several times to inform him if he was the victim of mistranslations and media misinformation. No, he and his staff had not researched it.

[ravenwolf]

While the thread was right up to par on what capitalism really is, there was hardly anything concerning what the Pope said.

Not enough there to change my mind, he is still ok as far as i am concerned.

Rush said
So now I’m gonna have to track this down, because I have to tell you, what has been attributed to the pope here doesn’t make sense, with 50 years of the Catholic Church. It doesn’t jibe.

[GBA]

Ann Barnhardt...I do give her musings a fair bit of credence.

She's brash and a bit too strident for me to listen to in anything but short doses most of the time, but it's almost always time well spent.

She is also the first person I heard say out loud the things about our economy and the state of our nation that I was seeing and couldn't make/let myself believe. Between that and how she starts with the Lord's prayer, I tend to pay attention to what she is seeing in the greater world and give it some thought.

Keeping in mind the story we were born into, when I added her comments to those of recent and past, even to some prophetic, voices, I found plenty to research and more to keep my shields raised.

These are more than just dangerous times, like in a close game when things speed up and get more intense as the clock winds down.

These are prophetic times, where the end of the game is a foregone conclusion and the clock is running out on a cornered and wounded beast.

The beast's final play seems to be: "If you can't win, then take as many out with you as you can from the one who has beaten you. Take joy in making your victor suffer."
And that's how we lost souls have always been used, but MUCH more so now as the clock runs out.

And no doubt, we're predictably easy pickin's for the master of deception even on our best days, but especially so in this dark, arid desert we've created, just as the book tells us, warns us, promises us.

Yep, dangerous, prophetic times. Beware, pray, repent and keep the Commandments. I'm told that time is short.

[Salvation]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3096201/posts

[FredZarguna]

Please actually read what your infantile mystic has written:

“In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world,” Pope Francis wrote.

“This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system,” the 76-year-old pontiff added.

These statements are completely heretical: they are errant nonsense, coming from a man who is clearly an economic child. Rush is right, and those defending these statements are mistaken.

"Trickle down" was, is, and always will be nothing more than a commie slander on the idea of supply side economics, and the mere use of this phrase clearly marks the person writing it as no better than a fool.

These comments show it is the pope himself who has a crude and naive understanding of economics, when he speaks of the insufficiency of free markets in one breath while decrying those who "wield economic power" in the next. Free markets don't give economic power to anyone, they empower all equally, and this mystics comments to the contrary not withstanding, it is only free market capitalism and rising prosperity that have ever offered any hope to the poor.

You can spin the rest of what he says as "out of context," but these words are clear and no context is needed. If he were advocating the responsibility of charity for those with means, he need not have made these gratuitous remarks which directly confront the Austrian School and its conservative and libertarian descendents, which has forgotten more about economics in one day than the Society of Jesus has learned in its entire history. Jesuit writings on economics have been damaging to the cause of liberty throughout the world, and the pope continues in that tradition.

[Salvation]

You were correct in your analysis.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3096201/posts

Read what it really says. Don’t believe the lamestream media.

[ravenwolf]

I don’t understand why professing Christians don’t understand this!

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God said thou shall not steal, we love those thieves in our Government, we do not want to see them go into everlasting punishment.

Yes people should give to the needy, but if the needy needs to steal they should not turn the Government into a bunch of thieves.

[melsec]

My company was started in North America and bought out by these guys - I do not wish to mention the name as you may understand why but you would know it! They also own a few Aussie companies here that I was sure were still in the hands of Australian owners. Their corporate governance and treatment of workers is outstanding so it’s not hard to work for them - they are doing extremely well in all areas they undertake - pretty easy if you don’t need to take profits!

[ThomasSawyer]

All Christians should be alert that the principles of charity do not get replaced by principles of socialism in their church. I believe many churches are walking a fine line with some having gone over. Once socialism replaces charity, it is that much easier for people to replace the perfect and loving God with a tyrannical government. Golden calf anyone?

[Agamemnon]

Capitalism is not a product of Roman Catholicism. It has 2 parents, Calvinists and non-Christians....

You are correct to say that Capitalism is not a product of the Catholic Church, but crediting the wisdom of Capitalism to Calvinists and non-Christians alone simply reveals that you must not be very familiar with the Parable of Talents, as told by Jesus Christ.

Otherwise, you'd have more of an appreciation for what a generous Capitalist the Heavenly Father is. Jesus Christ makes quite the case for the time value of money.

Calvinists (and quite a number of Catholics and non-Christians) have been blessed throughout history by the application of the wisdom of Capitalism as illustrated by Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand."

FReegards!

[lacrew]

But couldn’t that last statement be interpreted to mean “I pray for fewer drug lord narco states?”

I’m really not trying to be an apologolist for the Pope. It just ticks me off that some 60 year old aging hippie who never saved money for his retirement thinks that the Pope is talking about him.

[Theo]

As a Protestant, I encourage everyone to read the ACTUAL WORDS of the Pope’s exhortation:

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html

Just click on that and scan it, or search for key words to see what he wrote IN CONTEXT.

Yes, the Pope says, “I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor!” But look at it in context — he is simply stating the position of Conservative politicians, who actually CARE about PEOPLE. The Pope is not saying that bureaucrats should take from the wealthy and give to the poor.

While I denounce some Roman Catholic doctrines, and consider myself a follower of Jesus rather than of Rome, this Pope seems to have his head screwed on straight. In this case, Rush is wrong.

[steelhead_trout]

“crediting the wisdom of Capitalism to Calvinists and non-Christians alone simply reveals that you must not be very familiar with the Parable of Talents, as told by Jesus Christ.”

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Oh, I’ve heard that parable many times. But the biblical scholar William R. Herzog II has an interesting take on that parable. In his interpretation, the image of the absentee landlord, who reaps where he didn’t sow, is taken literally. On Herzog’s reading, the third servant is a “whistle-blower” who has “unmasked the ‘joy of the master’ for what it is, the profits of exploitation squandered in wasteful excess.” He is punished for speaking the truth, not for failing to make a profit. For Herzog, the point of the parable is the need to act in solidarity when confronting injustice.

[MinuteGal]

If Rush was in error he will correct it.

We shall wait and see.

Leni

[Salvation]

Thanks, Theo.

[Salvation]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3096201/posts

Read what it really says. Don’t believe the lamestream media.

Very good analysis of it. You are correct; Rush was in error.