Posted on 11/27/2013 2:18:56 PM PST by NYer
You are lumping all markets together as immoral then? The Pope made no such distinctions and I think you try too hard to defend a socialist.
Markets are the most democratic of institutions. Two people meet to exchange their own property for their mutual advantage. Markets are what exist when people are free.
There will always be dishonest people. Are we then to condemn free exchange as tyrannical because of the few? Your comment is incoherent.
I'm not sure why you think the socialists in charge are promoting "unfettered capitalism". They are regulating all over the place and it is destroying the economy.
Promote free markets principles and economic health will return and the poor are helped. The Pope has it wrong.
Not being a Papist I cannot begin to understand all the teachings and nuances of the RC teachings, it has been my understanding that the current pope was previously a socialist community organizer-type cleric in his native country. Ann Barnhardt has nailed this guy as an apostate, and I do give her musings a fair bit of credence.
No, I'm not. "Markets" are neutral. People and their actions are either moral or immoral.
The Pope made no such distinctions and I think you try too hard to defend a socialist.
Piffle on whatever dichotomy you're trying to draw. Failure uncritically to affirm capitalists is not "socialism." People do wrong things in pursuit of profit. How can anyone fail to understand that?
People do wrong things in pursuit of socialist ideology, too. Who can misunderstand that? Not Pope Francis, who has addressed the subject.
“There’s nobody who ‘needs’ $6 billion.”
Except community organizers and poverty pimps. Then extravagant vacations to the Taj Mahal and all over the world are reasonable multi-million dollar expenses for the tax payers. But Heaven forbid that the CEO of a large company ride on a corporate jet.
Could it be that the Pope is warning about making money, power, fame,and materalism into an idol god ?
There is a Bible passage warning about “the love of money? “
The Maharushie knows that he (Rush) would come under violent attack if his research wasn't accurate. He wasn't born yesterday. No way he would stick his neck out in analyzing the Pope's various messages without the finest-tuned fact-checking beforehand.
If I had a dollar for everytime Rush has stated, "Words mean things" during the over twenty years I've listened to him almost daily, I would be on a sunny Virgin Island beach resort right now sipping a twenty-dollar Mai Tai.
Leni
Rush is a spiritual infant and economic fool when it comes to genuine Love of neighbor . The Pope is not forcing anyone, he is only asking for people to reach out for social justice to abandon themselves for the less fortunate in a SELF giving manor without expecting any reward.
This fool(Rush) loves an idea that Capitalism is God unto itself.
There are many good things I like about Rush, but sadly I feel this will end up being his demise
Catholic Teaching on Socialism
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/L13APOST.HTM
Most people have no idea on the complexity of what is genuine love and what is socialism
The US education system is responsible for this.
The Church ALWAYS knew the difference!
I have been reading the original document. There’s nothing hoodwinking
It is so hard to defend the pope on this it is disturbing.
yes.
Oh, brother.
Yes and no. Business owners are people, and employees are people. The profit orientation is not wrong, by any means, but it is conditional.
If one says that profit orientation is unconditional, then employing illegal immigrants to reduce labor costs/increase profit is good. “Costs to society?” Nonsense! “Exploited laborers?” Socialist!
No, the Pope is not talking about individual charity; he is bashing an economic system i.e. free markets.
Too bad because free markets are the best economic system in the world for helping the poor. To NOT have a free market is to consign the poor to more misery.
No, Rush wasn’t hoodwinked. Rush is pointing out that Pope Francis is an economic dimwit. I am sure he is a good man and there is much to admire about Pope Francis, but on economic issues he is a traditional South American Jesuit leftist.
I see the predictable crowd are here trying to make excuses for this Pope’s leftist economic statements, but it is no longer possible for them to cover for Pope Francis’ leftwing views on conservative forums like this one. Some of us knew right away that Pope Francis was a radical leftist on economic issues and were shouted down when we pointed it out. At this point it is obvious to pretty much everyone except those with the strongest set of blinders on. Rush is not happy that he has to tell people that Pope Francis is bad news when it comes to economics, but at some point he probably felt he had to comment.
Done with Rush. Forever. Haven’t listened much anyway as I have never found him particularly intelligent or correct. He’s clearly in this for self aggrandizement, but he has has dome good moments.
However, for him to denigrate a man of God like this is truly an evil movie. I don’t know what he was thinking, but he has crossed a line. He puts himself above the Pope? How Liberal/Sectarian can you get.
Goodbye Rushbo. Don’t let the door hit oyu in your ample a**.
Indeed. At the time of Christ, there were no social programs to care for the "poor"; hence the admonition. Here in the US (and many other western countries), taxpayers fund a wealth of programs intended to care for the "poor". Such programs actually contribute detrimentally to them, creating dependence. Consider that when our Lord addressed these individuals, they were at the mercy of society. Recall, as well, the words of our Lord: "The poor you will have forever." I'm sure He would have some sharp rebukes for those who feed off the government programs.
I skimmed the document. I wanted to argue with Rush. Couldn’t. He referred to the pope using the term ‘trickle down economics’ which would be seen as a reference to Reagan and would be seen as a criticism.
It is right there in the document. A direct quote form the pope
Rush said he’d look into it further. And he will and there he’ll see it
I found the paragraph it’s in to be confusing. And I...Oh well...
Sigh
I can agree with that. Rush is more correct that the translation we’re getting from the Pope. Francis is much different from the last two, and we need to keep that in mind. JP2 and Benedict knew what European Socialism was like, and wanted no part of it. This good man from Argentina does not have the same background.
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