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1 posted on 07/26/2013 5:40:33 AM PDT by NYer
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Ping!


2 posted on 07/26/2013 5:41:02 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

WELCOME HOME!


3 posted on 07/26/2013 5:45:17 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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Haven’t seen this trend in my Church.

We don’t have that many young people attending.

We could use some, send them over.


4 posted on 07/26/2013 5:51:57 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: NYer
...congregations that carefully teach robust, historic Protestant theology to their children are notably not losing them...

Churches that remember they are churches and not some feel-good day-care center have a far better chance of retaining their youth. Those are the type of church which built America. Their values permeated our forefathers' being and sustained a moral nation.

Young people of potential will only commit to something which they feel gives their lives meaning. Regrettably, most American churches have eschewed meaning in favor of becoming liberal indoctrination centers and a gravy train for their clergy.

6 posted on 07/26/2013 6:00:42 AM PDT by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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Andrea Palpant Dilley explains her own shift from Presbyterianism to apostacy to generic evangelicalism to high church: “In my 20s, liturgy seemed rote, but now in my 30s, it reminds me that I’m part of an institution much larger and older than myself.

There are many, many "former-Protestant-turns-Catholic" conversion stories posted on FR that bear these same marks. The majority focus on converts with a poor command of their former faith, who swam the Tiber in their early to mid twenties. Some bear witness to converts already being swayed by "every wind of doctrine" before they converted. Most of these conversion stories fall into a common theme - "fringe member (or non-member) starts out illiterate and ignorant of his/her own confession, then gains publicity and fame on EWTN by making a loud, trumpeted conversion to Catholicism."

Take, for example, the story of James Akin. A convert in his mid-twenties, he was actually a whole lot of things before he became Catholic in his mid-twenties, but one Catholic FReeper hawked James as being a "former Presbyterian".

Another favorite is the story of Rodney Beason, supposedly a former Calvinist, and re-solicited as "a powerful conversion story". A first year college student, he claimed to have "a library full of Calvin, Luther, Warfield, Hodge, Murray, Owen, Machen, etc" and to have "helped plant a local Orthodox Presbyterian Church". A little digging on Google, however, and his conversion story was called into question. In the end, Rodney Beason himself signed up to FR just to provide all with the rest of his "powerful conversion story". Having abandoned the Catholic Church within two years of his 2002 conversion, he wishes Catholics would stop (re)publishing his story.

And then there's the tale of Rob Evans. I know what you're thinking - "who is Rob Evans?" Evans' previous claim to fame was a direct-to-VHS children's series titled The Donut Repair Club, marketed to children in Evangelical households in the early 1990s. When he wasn't entertaining children, Rob was a Presbyterian Pentecostal Baptist multiple-church-splitting spiritual wanderer, who was kicked out of at least one congregation before his conversion to Catholicism. His conversion nicely coincided with EWTN acquiring broadcasting rights to his out-of-production Donut Repair Club.

Finally, there's Fr. Erik J. Richtsteig, billed as a "former Mormon" The problem is, Fr. Richtsteig stopped being Mormon by the time he was just eight years old, meaning he had never held office, never been on a mission, never been through a Temple ceremony. His "Mormon" experience was limited to Sunday attendance (without his mother) "sporadically".

I wonder how many of these Catholic converts actually attended churches that proclaimed the whole council of God? A question I would ask is how many Catholic converts previously went to churches with strong systematic confessions of faith, like the Westminster Confession, and how often were they taught the confession, like in a Sunday School class, and how well did their minister cover all the doctrines in the confession of faith? I would expect some rather weak answers.
-- from the thread Systematic Theology and Catholic Converts

7 posted on 07/26/2013 6:02:53 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: NYer

BTTT!


8 posted on 07/26/2013 6:03:30 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Young Christians are going over to Catholicism and high Anglicanism/Lutheranism in droves

Interesting that young people also vote Democratic in droves. But then, so do Catholics, so I guess it's a good fit.

9 posted on 07/26/2013 6:04:11 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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Actually, the biggest trend is for young people of any denomination leaving their religion behind as they enter adulthood. The fastest growing creed in the United States is "no religion" per every reputable survey.

Here in Brazil, the evangelical churches grew rapidly from the 1950s to the 1990s. The trend towards secularism is noticeable here, and a key reason why 58% of the population considers itself Catholic (down from over 90% in 1950), although the Protestant population appears to have plateaued over the past 15 years.

11 posted on 07/26/2013 6:10:36 AM PDT by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: NYer

A great falling away.


12 posted on 07/26/2013 6:16:13 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: NYer

I’m sorry, I attend Catholic Mass every week, and I just don’t see it.

The biggest threat to the Church IMO is the near absolute dearth of young people. Not that the Church is doing much to help itself in that regard.

The few who do show up just started getting quizzical “WTH?” looks on their faces when we went to the new Missal.

I have contacts in Latin American countries who tell me the flow is in the opposite direction. Youth in traditionally Catholic countries are flocking to Evangelical churches in droves.


13 posted on 07/26/2013 6:21:25 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Why bother to continue reading when the opening lines sound like they were written by a 12 year old?
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A friend of mine attended a Christian college where almost all of the students, including her, grew up in non-denominational, evangelical Protestant churches. A few years after graduation, she is the only person in her graduating class who is not Roman Catholic, high Anglican or Lutheran.
...the author’s ‘friend’ apparently has been doing some very thorough surveying over the past several years.

16 posted on 07/26/2013 6:35:57 AM PDT by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Mitt Romney got in 2012)
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Anyone know what high Anglican means?
17 posted on 07/26/2013 6:38:46 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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For the Lutheran ping list.

I shared this article several days ago on Facebook. Quite interesting.


25 posted on 07/26/2013 7:02:10 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper
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Knowing Jesus is only the start of the journey.

The more committed the young Evangelical is to walking with the Lord, the more likely they will (eventually) hunger for the Eucharist


28 posted on 07/26/2013 7:16:34 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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A friend of mine seems to be going this route. In this case, it seems to me that he is seeking external guidance and formalism over the ill-defined ‘freedom’ too many Protestants hold to be orthodox truth. The ritual and complexities of Catholicism are very similar to what he has sought in many avenues of his life already. The internal freedoms he has pursued leave him confused and aimless - some by his own admission. I suspect this is the case for many experiencing this ‘revelation’ but I do not dismiss earnest searchers. If my suspicions are correct, these individuals will be no more satisfied inwardly than they were before.

Just my $0.02.

29 posted on 07/26/2013 7:18:54 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (You hear it here first.)
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Humans divided Jesus's Church into three branches, not Jesus.

Now that we've torn His Body apart, maybe we should be figuring out how to each bend toward unity, to put His Body back together again.

He wants His Body made whole again, united, not this division we have made and foment, that Satan uses to his advantage against us, to cause Jesus pain.

33 posted on 07/26/2013 7:31:07 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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An interesting column. and hopeful


39 posted on 07/26/2013 8:15:42 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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Updating earlier post:

An interesting column and hopeful in that, as they grow older, some young evangelicals are looking for more substance that they have gotten in their particular churches. I find it also is worth noting that missing are the Protestant churches that are going increasingly secular, and I see a distinction between choosing the Anglican and Episcopal churches over the secularizing Episcopal and other old-line Protestant denominations.

I will take issue with the author’s gratuitous attack on Catholicism and conservative Anglicanism in his statement: “It is to say that children raised in spiritually substantive and faithful homes usually find things like holy water, pilgrimages, popes and ash on their faces an affront to the means for spiritual growth that God has appointed in His Word.”

And as Clemenza & Publicus both pointed out it is the growing secularization and atheism of the world is what all of us who follow Christ are in a struggle with, as well as the forces of Satan.


44 posted on 07/26/2013 9:06:36 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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Not surprising.

Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Matthew 7:13 (NASB)

This is why Catholicism and Islam have so many members.
47 posted on 07/26/2013 9:38:07 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Goodbye America. Glad the majority of my years were spent during the good days.)
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