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Skip to comments.Archbishop Josť H. Gomez on Immigration Reform: The Debate Begins
Posted on 04/28/2013 11:41:29 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
As chairman of the U.S. Bishops Migration Committee, I've been working with Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the U.S. Bishops' president, and many of my brother bishops to study the new comprehensive immigration reform legislation that has been introduced in the U.S. Senate.
Because we are an immigrant Church, this debate over immigration is a debate about the future of the Church and our Catholic people. The Mexicans and other Latin Americans at the center of this debate - the millions whose fate is being decided by our politicians - are mostly fellow Catholics.
Earlier this week, the U.S. bishops held a press conference on the reform legislation, which is known as the Border Security, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Modernization Act of 2013.
This bill has many of the elements the bishops are looking for. The job now is to improve this legislation so that all can come out of the shadows and are able to pursue the American Dream.
We are concerned about the border-security "triggers" in the bill. These are certain conditions that must be met before undocumented immigrants could even apply for permanent residency or citizenship.
My brother bishops and I are deeply concerned about the security and sovereignty of our country. The Church has always taught that governments have the duty to defend and secure their national borders.
I lived for many years in Texas, which has our nation's longest border with Mexico, so I know these issues first hand. I agree with the Senators who drafted this legislation - we absolutely need to secure our borders to stem the flow of drugs and crime and to reduce risks of foreign terrorists entering our country.
But I also think we need to make sure that these "triggers" don't become "moving targets."
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....Because we are an immigrant Church, this debate over immigration is a debate about the future of the Church and our Catholic people. The Mexicans and other Latin Americans at the center of this debate - the millions whose fate is being decided by our politicians - are mostly fellow Catholics.
Earlier this week, the U.S. bishops held a press conference on the reform legislation, which is known as the Border Security, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Modernization Act of 2013. This bill has many of the elements the bishops are looking for. The job now is to improve this legislation so that all can come out of the shadows and are able to pursue the American Dream.
....We are concerned about the border-security "triggers" in the bill.
Deport this frijolero back to Mexico, and hopefully the Kool aid drinkers on FR who support him should follow suit.
“we absolutely need to secure our borders to stem the flow of drugs and crime and to reduce risks of foreign terrorists entering our country.
But I also think we need to make sure that these “triggers” don’t become “moving targets.””
Well, Bishop Gomez, the gang of 8 & the pres don’t really care what you think, ‘cause they are meeting with the Muslim leaders and they like the idea that the border will never be secured. Just like we conservatives, you better watch yourselves, you can be replaced, too!
Thanks to Norquists sponsorship, Khan has also been able to infiltrate other Republican circles, including the American Conservative Union. Meanwhile, hes teamed up with Imam Mohamed Magid, Obamas Muslim outreach partner, to do interfaith outreach with evangelical Christian leaders in the South....
Through the Islamic Institute, Norquist appears to have developed close relationships with a number of Muslim leaders. When I recently spoke to the Muslim Public Affairs Councils Salam Al-Marayati, the man who fingered Israel as a potential sponsor of the World Trade Center attacks, he recited Norquists phone number from memory.
Obamas radical Muslim advisors are Grover Norquists friends.
[snip]On March 8, ISNA President Mohamed Magid joined 10 other religious leaders in a 90-minute conversation with President Obama about immigration reform.
Grover is guest speak at C.A.I.R. and teams up with them on various events, usually concerning immigration.
Will the last one leaving Mexico turn out the lights?
There is a debate?
When the other side isn’t allowed to express an opinion in the mass media?
Maybe we should we deport the Catholic Church?
Amnesty is national suicide
Response: This statement illustrates why America is falling; "debate," "discussion," "different points of view," "dialogue, and "profound opinion by experts!." In the meantime Mexicans are flooding across the border-(ACTING NOT TALKING)in such large numbers that they have virtually taken over one state-California amd maybe others.
“Our government has spent billions in recent years to build fences and increase monitoring and enforcement along our borders.”
Are there pictures of these fences?
There is no hint of “enforcement”, without which “monitoring” is meaningless.
As the old joke goes, a conservationist is someone who already own a vacation home in the mountains. An evil developer is someone who wants to. That joke characterizes the immigration debate too. Those of us whose ancestors came to America for a better life effectively own the vacation home in the mountains. The Mexicans are those who want to.
We are a nation if immigrants that, for the last 160 years, does not have a good track record of welcoming immigrants. The Irish, Italians, Poles, Jews, Slavs, Japanese, Chinese, and Mexicans have all been seen as a threat to the status quo. Today immigration is looked at strictly as a political chess piece by both parties but ignores the very human needs of the immigrants and their contributions to our communities and culture. I can guarantee from personal experience that I would much rather live next to a conservative, hardworking Mexican family of dubious immigration status than a home grown third generation welfare recipient.
Let us not forget that Jesus, Joseph and Mary were immigrants, illegally fleeing their king when they fled to Egypt.
The good bishop wouldn’t be taking this position if 95% of illegals were from Scandinavia, or were non-Catholics.
I didn’t so much leave the Catholic Church as the Catholic Church left me.
Then, your excellency Abp Gomez, please don't give scandal. If I (a natural born US citizen) were to confess that I am violating numerous local, state, and federal laws on an ongoing basis (with no intent to stop) in order to sustain my preferred lifestyle, would you give me absolution? Especially when the laws I'm breaking are not only just laws, but some of the most generous laws in the world?
No wonder so many Catholics don't bother with reconciliation any more. Breaking the law doesn't seem to be such a big deal any more.
Oh, stuff it. The Irish, Italians, Poles, Slavs, etc. you cite came here legally, respected our laws and traditions, happily and eagerly learned English and wanted their children raised as Americans, and did not maintain their allegiance to the “old country” like Mexicans and Central Americans do.
This is very true. I wouldn't support abuse of illegals. That said, the Holy Family fled at the command of God. And they eventually returned home. Something I have wondered about but for which I have no answer, is whether they violated the laws of Egypt during their temporary stay there.
Your points are well taken but I still think the bishops give scandal on this one. Peace be with you.
There was a thread last about whether Catholics would be allowed to marry royals in merry old England, and the ‘mother church’ chauvinists were insisting that The Church: the “true religion”, required that children of such a union be raised as Catholics.
Forget about requiring its grown members to abhor infanticide, to respect the G-d given right of self defense or to render unto Caesar his right to secure national borders ... the bell, book and candle must be reserved only for those who fail to raise their children in the (clearing throat)
To further roil the water, I believe the only Nazi excommunicated in WWII was Goebbels. And that was because he married a Lutheran.
Look at most of the welfare receipients in California: they are Gomez’s People.
There is nothing disproportional or surprising about California's welfare demographics. Nearly 40% of the population of California is Hispanic, (approximately the same as the white population) and most of those at the lowest socioeconomic tiers of society. The water and environmental policies of the democrats have devastated California's agriculture industries which has had the greatest effects on the Hispanic communities of the central valley.
As I said earlier, I would rather live in a community of conservative, family oriented, hard working Mexicans regardless of immigration status, than I would in a community of white multi-generational welfare recipients.
Peace be with you
Jesus, Mary and Joseph were refugees running for the baby Jesus’life. They left Egypt when their refugee status was no longer necessary. The current illegal aliens flooding this country are primarily economic opportunist with no moral right to do what they are doing.
We are a nation of immigrants, as are all nations. But our ancestors came legally according to the laws of the time. They came to give to this country, not to take as so many illegal aliens do.
I am living in the middle of lots of Mexicans. There are many about whom I would say I would rather live next to than a welfare legal American resident.
That said, the people who have come here the last decade are, in general, not that type of Mexican. That Mexican family you like is either Mexico’s “greatest generation” or their progeny.
The most are just like those welfare recipients who elicit your disdain.
No country can accept too many people too fast especially illegally. Time to stop it.
Protesters Question Clergyman’s Loyalty
At Archbishop Jose Gomez Residence
Dozens of protesters have shown up at Archbishop of Los Angelus Jose Gomez residence many carrying American flags and bearing signs questioning his loyalty to the US not Mexico along with many signs demanding equal rights for American citizens in Mexico.
The protest was apparently triggered by the clerics decision to push forward with his predecessors decision the disgraced Cardinal Mahoney with offering amnesty thus citizenship to Mexicans crossing the border illegally while thousands of Americans in Mexico suffer under 2nd class citizenship unable to own property and suffer indignitys let alone participate in Mexican elections while living there in Mexico.
A spokeswoman for the group, Harriet Hildegarden insisted her group consists of Catholics loyal to the church. “We will be protesting at other locations where prominent clergy of the church have sided with the Obama regime”Hildy” claims the church is supporting the democrat party which denied God at their convention and declared what she claims is war on the Catholics but would collude with i t on many issues including “amnesty” .
When asked if she may be denied communion for her activities her reply was “Well it’s been known that when that happens quicker when clerics get personally attacked than when some politican challanges the church on the grounds of faith and morals” .
link correction http://www.theusmat.com/natldesksatire.htm