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Bill O'Reilly: The Bible contradicts itself
WorldNetDaily ^ | Feb 28, 2013 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 02/28/2013 4:49:29 AM PST by wesagain

Fox News anchor Bill O’Reilly, who is writing an upcoming book titled “Killing Jesus,” proclaimed on his program Wednesday night that “a lot of the Bible is allegorical,” and the New Testament Gospels contradict themselves.

O’Reilly made the remarks during an interview with “Touched by an Angel” star Roma Downey and her husband Mark Burnett, executive producers of “The Bible” TV miniseries which begins this Sunday night on the History Channel.

Downey, who portrays Jesus’ mother Mary in the series, opened the interview by declaring her solid faith in Holy Scripture.

“Bringing the Bible to the screen came with a huge responsibility and one we took very seriously,” Downey said. “We had a great team of scholars and theologians helping us, making sure that we told these stories accurately and truthfully. I’ve been a believer my whole life, and that was very, very important to us. Something else that we wanted to do was to make it really, really cool. You know, we have teenagers at home and [it's] hard to get them to read anything, and one of the goals here was to get this generation interested and excited about Scripture, and I think we’ve been able to achieve that.”...........

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TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Religion & Politics; Religion & Science
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1 posted on 02/28/2013 4:49:38 AM PST by wesagain
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To: wesagain

Seeing the previews, the mini-series looks interesting. BUT, being on the History channel, it makes you worry they’ll bring in Ancient Aliens.


2 posted on 02/28/2013 4:53:25 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring
BUT, being on the History channel, it makes you worry they’ll bring in Ancient Aliens

Or have Troy Landry wrangle gators onto the Ark, while yelling Choot Em!

3 posted on 02/28/2013 5:02:00 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: mnehring

“Like”


4 posted on 02/28/2013 5:02:00 AM PST by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: mnehring

The History Channel is not reliable when it comes to Biblical History or anything Christian. They line up fringe “theologians” and other so-called Biblical “experts”. When it comes to the Bible, the History Channel is no different than Hell’s bible (ny slimes)


5 posted on 02/28/2013 5:03:50 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama: Government by Freakout)
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To: Vaquero

As long as “bound for hell” Dan Brown isn’t mentioned I’ll be tuned in.


6 posted on 02/28/2013 5:04:08 AM PST by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: wesagain

I never knew Roma Downey was married to Mark Burnett.

I saw the trailer and it looked fantastic!


7 posted on 02/28/2013 5:05:34 AM PST by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: Vaquero

Can you imagine if it were on TLC (The Learning(sic) Channel)? Honey Boo Boo meets the real housewives of Jerusalem.


8 posted on 02/28/2013 5:06:41 AM PST by mnehring
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To: wesagain
The Weekly Worldview
9 posted on 02/28/2013 5:08:02 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (RETURN TO MECCA [http://youtu.be/zWQkaDUCJ_Y])
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To: wesagain

The article never does mention what these supposed “contradictions” are. Generally what the secular world calls contradictory turns out to be complementary. Such as the birth narratives of Matthew and Luke.


10 posted on 02/28/2013 5:08:14 AM PST by circlecity
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To: wesagain

...the New Testament Gospels contradict themselves.


He’s right, in a way. But the apparent “contradictions” are what make them authentic. Ask any trial lawyer what it means when multiple witnesses tell the exact same story. It means they are lying and they are in collusion. When the stories are true, they are all slightly different and bring up different details. I like to use this analogy:

Imagine four men describing the same event thusly:

Man number one: A saw a lady driving this bright red convertible.
Man number two: I saw this hot blonde in a completely restored vette.
Man numer three: I saw a sports car doing a beautiful two wheel drift through the corner in a 64 vette.
Man number four: This woman was wearing a dress that matched the color of her car.

Complete story:

This smokin’ hot blond in a red dress was drifting around a corner in a “like new” bright red 1964 corvette convertible.

Thats actually how the bible works, from cover to cover. That is why the interpretation of some scripture can be filled in and amplified by scritures from years or even centuries before. It is the most amazing collection of books ever written, for the obvious reason. ;-)


11 posted on 02/28/2013 5:11:58 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: mnehring

I heard them say in an interview that they shopped it around to all the networks and cables. History Channel was the only taker.


12 posted on 02/28/2013 5:13:56 AM PST by NoExpectations
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To: newfreep
I saw the trailer and it looked fantastic!

I agree. Gave me chills, actually!

13 posted on 02/28/2013 5:19:44 AM PST by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: wesagain

Bill, set your oversized ego aside, and consider that your LACK OF UNDERSTANDING, creates the impression of contradiction.

You might even consult a theologian regarding your areas of confusion!


14 posted on 02/28/2013 5:24:44 AM PST by G Larry
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To: wesagain

Product of a Roman Catholic education.


15 posted on 02/28/2013 5:27:20 AM PST by DManA
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To: cuban leaf
If the spirit doesn't speak the word to them, it's as good as gibberish.

Save your time, pearls before swine.

16 posted on 02/28/2013 5:27:46 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Save your time, pearls before swine.


Yes, I’ve had to invoke that a few times on internet threads.


17 posted on 02/28/2013 5:35:05 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: mnehring

I don’t watch tv anymore; they warp reality around to suit the anti-religion agenda every time. Its a waste and its discouraging and depressing. And, in the end, its all about making money serving the agenda. You wanna get published, you have to write to satisfy the Muse of Political Correctness.


18 posted on 02/28/2013 5:35:10 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: rawcatslyentist

Save your time, pearls before swine.


Yes, I’ve had to invoke that a few times on internet threads.

I should also point out that, as a former intellectual agnostic myself, the intellect does not bring one to the Lord, but it can be a serious road block - especially for those who’s god is their intellect.


19 posted on 02/28/2013 5:36:07 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: wesagain

How many sequels of Killing of...can he write before he runs out of dead people?


20 posted on 02/28/2013 5:38:14 AM PST by RetSignman ("...a Republic if you can keep it")
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To: wesagain
From Bill O'Reilly.com (dated April 1st, 2010, so grab a falafel and make of it what you will):
The Catholic Quandary

Over the years, I have occasionally written about being a practicing Roman Catholic, a fact that sometimes leads to incredulous statements like "YOU go to church?" Somehow, I don't believe the question is a compliment.

This is a tough Holy Week for Catholics, as once again the terrible specter of child molestation is in the air. Driven by a series of articles by the New York Times, the church now faces questions about whether Pope Benedict XVI ignored some past abuse cases when he was a cardinal. The evidence is scant, but damning anyway, because of the previous priest-pedophilia scandals.

A number of Catholics have left the church because of the priestly sins, but not me. From the beginning, in Sister Claudia's first grade class, I understood that the Catholic Church was about Jesus, not Father Flannery. Believe me, I saw so many loons in my Catholic school days that I should be a Buddhist. But it is the theology, not church leadership, that keeps me in the fold.

You may remember that I was a driving force in bringing down the villainous Cardinal Law in Boston, a man who allowed child molesting priests to run wild. When Law was forced to resign, I was happy. But then the late Pope John Paul II gave him a cushy job in Rome, where he remains today. If it were up to me, the cardinal would be in prison.

Even though I respected Pope John Paul's holiness, I was deeply disappointed that he did not meet with molestation victims when he visited the United States in 1999. The pope should have done that simply to show devastated American Catholics, and the victims themselves, that he cared and understood their pain. When I publicly criticized Pope John Paul for avoiding the issue, the Catholic League scorched me. And that's fine. They are entitled to their opinion.

Throughout it all, however, I stayed with the church. If you cut through all the bull, the doctrines of treating others as you want to be treated, forgiveness and redemption, and charity for all stand the test of time. Even if the atheists are right and there is no God, the philosophy of Jesus is full-force positive. Live the way he lived, and the world will be a better place.

The actions of others must be considered, of course. But I like this analogy: We've had some pretty bad leaders in America, right? Do they make you want to renounce your citizenship? The United States is not the people who lead it. It is all of us.

Same thing with the Catholic Church. It's not corrupt priests or apathetic leaders in Rome. It's Jesus and his followers, the folks who sit in the pews on Sunday. And that's good enough for me.


21 posted on 02/28/2013 5:49:15 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: RetSignman

Actually, when I was watching this last night I thought of a book titled “Killing the Constitution.” It will go through the entire Constitutional process and then detail over the decades how the leftists and progressives have twisted and bastardized every amendment to suit their ends, thus killing a Constitutional Republic. What do you think?


22 posted on 02/28/2013 5:50:33 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: cuban leaf
Spot on and well put. The writers also have differing reasons as to why they are writing i.e. Mark writes to Evangelize, Luke writes for accuracy (as a record), John is taken by the Spiritual meaning etc. Also to who they write is important as it will dictate what they emphasize.

Mel

23 posted on 02/28/2013 5:53:34 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: wesagain

Television and the movies always get the Bible wrong. Always.


24 posted on 02/28/2013 5:57:32 AM PST by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: Rich21IE

“I don’t watch tv anymore; they warp reality around to suit the anti-religion agenda every time. Its a waste and its discouraging and depressing. And, in the end, its all about making money serving the agenda. You wanna get published, you have to write to satisfy the Muse of Political Correctness.”

I only watch now college sports, weather, some current events, and faith based shows.

And even the so-called “muse of political correctness” is starting to show cracks, getting ever closer to coming apart.


25 posted on 02/28/2013 6:02:44 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: wesagain

I think we need more revival in this country than revolution. That if we are not right with God, not grounded on good values... We will not be worthy or capable of turning this country around.

Saw an interview with Mark Burnett and his wife on Fox. Sounds like he’s a believer and I’m glad he’s using his talent and wealth to share about God. Hope he does it well.


26 posted on 02/28/2013 6:03:32 AM PST by Made In The USA (I'm not yelling, just... just talking enthusiastically..)
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To: wesagain

Riley should have enough sense to stick to stuff he knows a tiny smidgeon about, instead of messing around with stuff he knows absolutely nothing about.

‘Cuz Riley never learns anything about anything. He can only work with what little bits of information he managed not to forget. He never listens to anyone for more than three nanoseconds and he’s so full of himself that there’s no room for any new knowledge to fit in.


27 posted on 02/28/2013 6:05:40 AM PST by Houghton M.
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To: Made In The USA

Mark Burnett is a believer? Wouldn’t know it from some of the crap he has brought to TV


28 posted on 02/28/2013 6:07:20 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: cuban leaf

Very well said!!! And saved me from having to attempt posting something like that. People that state there are contradictions in the gospels demonstrate that they have not given the subject much thought.


29 posted on 02/28/2013 6:13:31 AM PST by plain talk
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To: 7thson

[“Killing the Constitution.”]

That’s a book he would never write. he has built his image by appealing to left and the right. I believe he could best described as a ‘post turtle’.

But the title, “Killing the Constitution” is a work in progress and all of media are contributing chapters.


30 posted on 02/28/2013 6:13:48 AM PST by RetSignman ("...a Republic if you can keep it")
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To: wesagain
"And then it's my job...to cut through the contradictions and to try to give a narrative of what actually happened to Jesus."

LOL!! Bill is going to rewrite the Bible the way it should have been written in the first place.

Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Bill.

Who gave you that job Bill? And who gave it to MML&J?

31 posted on 02/28/2013 6:18:24 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

excuse me, im the product of roman catholic education as well, but i actually know what His church teaches, not some made up strawmen that folks like to bludgeon us with...

dont assume b. oreilly knows what i know.


32 posted on 02/28/2013 6:25:09 AM PST by raygunfan
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To: wesagain

I can see I haven’t missed anything since I stopped watching this idiot.


33 posted on 02/28/2013 6:25:27 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: wesagain

I’m SOOOOOO happy that after 5000 years we finally have the Tabloid TV Leprechaun around to tell us the Bible is all screwed-up! /sarc


34 posted on 02/28/2013 6:26:50 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: frogjerk

The History Channel is not reliable when it comes to Biblical History or anything Christian

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My exact thoughts when I first saw this series advertised. But we are going to give it a go based on the couple who produced it. DVR is set.


35 posted on 02/28/2013 6:27:08 AM PST by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: Bigg Red

Burnett did win an award from GLAAD in 2001


36 posted on 02/28/2013 6:31:24 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: raygunfan

Agree. I am also RC and spent 12 years in Catholic school.

Some people just have to hate, apparently, and will spout off against the Church based on no actual factual knowledge.


37 posted on 02/28/2013 6:32:12 AM PST by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: Made In The USA

As a Christian, I now look at politics through this lens, “where would the early church have been if they had put their faith in Rome?”


38 posted on 02/28/2013 6:33:41 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

Good example. Here is one I use:

True story. I was out doing a painting in a field when I was attacked by the land owner’s great dane. I was able to fend him off using my folded camp chair until the owner finally called him off. My camp chair still has the teeth marks...this is how I usually tell the story. Other times, I might include the fact that there was a second smaller border collie attacking me at the same time using a flanking maneuver.

Now read the gospels about blind Bartimaeus. One gospel says that there were two blind men and the other only records one. It seems like a contradiction until you realize...that is how people tell stories. One emphasizes what he thinks is important, and the other does the same.


39 posted on 02/28/2013 6:34:34 AM PST by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: mnehring

Geez...I thought I had a good handle on the gross size of BOR’s ego but I see I was off by several orders of magnitude! Now he’s going to set the record straight because the Word of God is ‘allegorical’ and ‘contradictory’.The folks can’t trust their bibles...but worry not BOR has a new book(available on BOR.com) that should set the real stroy straight. Someone’s got to look out for the folks at home! TIt’s all for the folks.


40 posted on 02/28/2013 6:34:58 AM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Drawsing

I think your example is better, and not just because it is personal.


41 posted on 02/28/2013 6:38:03 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I can’t believe that people seriously stop going to church because of Priests who turn out bad. My entire family still go every week. It is such a weird thing to me that a person would stop doing something they believe because of others. Good Lord. How many houses burn down every year but that doesn’t stop me from buying a home. How many teachers are found bad, that doesn’t stop people from sending their kids to school. How many people end up with food poisoning that doesn’t stop people from eating. Such a strange world we live in.


42 posted on 02/28/2013 6:40:16 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: RetSignman

I’d like to know why O’Reilly and Dugard skipped “Killing [James] Garfield” and “Killing McKinley.” -:)

(Guess these weren’t as dramatic since Garfield lived 80 days, McKinley eight, after being struck.)


43 posted on 02/28/2013 6:40:59 AM PST by railroader
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To: cuban leaf; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; Gamecock; RnMomof7; HarleyD; fish hawk; Alex Murphy; ...

You have described a very useful component of a good hermeneutic. Thank you.

To expand on this concept, the Bible also utilizes something similar to the following:

Boy sees girl at school
Boy thinks girl is wonderful
Boy meets girl in store
Girl laughs at boy’s attempts to chat
Boy angrily leaves store
Boy hates girl

Now, does the boy like the girl? Well, the answer is…it depends. It depends upon where in the story you are. In the second line? Then “yes”. In the last line? Then “no”. If the Bible is like this tiny historic novel, it too requires that one be cognizant of where one is along the story line. For example, did Paul kill Christians? Yes, up to Acts 9, then “no” after that.

Many people read the Bible as if it were a spiritual encyclopedia (flat & topical). It is not. It is structured more like a historical novel: It is true in all respects, but hung on a “story line”.

This most radically affects the meaning when it comes to the four Gospels. At what point are we in the story? Are Gentiles included in the remarks Jesus is making? Has the New Covenant been instituted yet? Is He teaching “Christianity” or “Judaism” (Grace or Law)?

If a reader can keep the flow of the story in mind, these questions are easily answered.

Forgive me if you object to being pinged in here to contribute to the discussion. Let me know and I’ll remove your name from my homemade list of FRiends.


44 posted on 02/28/2013 6:42:31 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: GeronL

Yipes! Well, they took me in, I guess, just based on their remarks about it. I don’t follow show biz news.


45 posted on 02/28/2013 6:45:28 AM PST by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: circlecity
"Generally what the secular world calls contradictory turns..."

No. There are textual contradictions. The three accounts of Saul on the road to Damascus in the book of Acts for example.

So if you were trying to recreate this event in a movie or play, which version would you use?

The other contradictions are more doctrinal:

Exodus 33:20
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

Exodus 33:11
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Numbers 14:14
14 And they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land: for they have heard that thou Lord art among this people, that thou Lord art seen face to face, and that thy cloud standeth over them, and that thou goest before them, by day time in a pillar of a cloud, and in a pillar of fire by night.

Others:

Exodus 22:18
18 ¶Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Deuteronomy 5:17
17 Thou shalt not kill.

Mark 10:19
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Each one of those passages above are true. They just need context and other explanation put with them, but at face value, the text contradicts itself.

It is what it is.
46 posted on 02/28/2013 6:47:26 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: MeOnTheBeach

You need to go to the original Hebrew and Greek and these “contradictions” resolve themselves. For example, Deut 5:17 (as well as the same quote from Ex 20:13) says thou shall not “murder”. (kill apart from the sanction of God). This is not inconsistent with the death penalty God rightfully imposes on many breaches of his law. Just as modern day death penalties do not conflct with the sixth commandment - as Paul tacitly acknowledged in Romans 13.


47 posted on 02/28/2013 6:55:05 AM PST by circlecity
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To: NoExpectations

My cable box is tuned to the History Channels more often than not these days.


48 posted on 02/28/2013 6:58:31 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: RetSignman

Well, there is still James A. Garfield...


49 posted on 02/28/2013 6:59:01 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Dutchboy88

Good points all.

I’ll add another analogy that I use. Some think it is brilliant and others think it is idiotic, but here goes:

A book is like a glass photographic plate. If you shatter it, each piece contains a part of the image/story.

The bible is like a glass plate containing a hologram. If you shatter it, each piece contains the entire image/story - from a specific perspective.


50 posted on 02/28/2013 7:02:07 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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