Posted on 01/27/2013 12:31:22 PM PST by marshmallow
John Cornelius, who is married, will be ordained this weekend -- and sex-free life begins
John Cornelius will be ordained a Roman Catholic priest this weekend — and with the blessing of his wife they're giving up their sex life. Cornelius, a father of three, will become the first married Roman Catholic priest in New York — and Sharyl, his wife of 33-years, has agreed to the whole celibacy thing.
“We have decided to do that voluntarily,” Cornelius told WGRZ-TV. “I have always had friends that are Roman Catholic priests and I appreciate what they've given up to serve God and the priesthood.”
Cornelius, 64, is a former Episcopalian priest who converted three years ago to Catholicism. He said his old church had gotten too liberal for him.
Has ROME re-defined what MUST means?
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
1 John 3:21-24
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
Are you such a slavish follower of ROME Thessalonica; that you totally IGNORE and DISMISS what the BIBLE plainly states?
Acts 17:11
Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
A young boy named JESUS (given said name by an angel, so claim the parents) was learning the carpentry trade (so says tradition) at His father's knee.
SOMEhow, this same young boy had managed to learned to read (His parents couldn't - says the statistic claimers of today) and was wowing the elders with His knowledge and Wisdom.
Luke 2:39-52
Luke 4:16-21
And then it created the COUNTER-reformation.
Them popes are sure malleable!
Has he ‘appeared’ to have changed his homepage yet?
This relates to the dichotomy btwn God's sovereignty and mans accountability. Nothing can thwart what He has determined, or serve Him apart from His grace and enablement, yet He holds man accountable for not doing what they were commanded to do, and thus could have done by Him.
It is not a matter of "God will save the heathen when He is good and ready, so you need not do anything," as some hyper Cs may say, but that God has determined that our response effects others for good or for bad, yet it all works toward the fulfillment of God's plan.
"And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none. Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord God. " (Ezekiel 22:30-31)
"And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours. " (John 4:37-38)
"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. " (Romans 8:28)
How He all does that is a mystery.
"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! " (Romans 11:33)
Few Reformers would say this. The few who would make this statement are simply holding heretical beliefs-if that is what it truly is. What excuses do the rest of us have for not sharing the love of Christ with others? Would we even care to admit our excuses, including myself? Hard for me to cast this stone.
OUCH!
Ah yes, the Catholic way to thinking ("believing" instead of KNOWING) they are saved and then ending up in the pit of fire, telling satan Hay what am I doing here, I did the Catholic "required conditions" and I "conformed to acceptable behaviour?"
Then I would imagine satan would lead the great multitudes that believe that---those that you and other Catholics misled into your "Church" instead of leading them to Jesus and salvation.
Poor mislead souls who Catholicism caused to hear the words of Jesus: "Depart from Me, I never knew you."
Swelled up with pride are you?
Your haughty posts defying God and scripture constantly appearing on this thread are a disgrace to Christianity.
Conforming to acceptable Catholic behavior (filthy rags to god) won't help get you salvation. The acceptable behaviour is simply believing on Jesus Christ and repenting and asking Him to live within you and you in Him as a born again Christian with a personal relationship with God through Jesus. Don't continue to reject it.
But you appear to constantly reject it with your prideful posts about the only way to God is through the Catholic church.
the true church [Catholic] which Christ Himself founded---(no but he did start the actual TRUE chruch, his Body which is made up of ALL born again saved Christians)Not according to God:in your minority opinion (Wide is the gate to destruction, narrow is the gate to salvation...few will enter there)
do you seriously think that the Bereans checked existing scripture (do you seriously continue to deny that God's word is true?)
there was really no need to learn to read because there was nothing to read.
people couldn't read, and if they could, there was virtually nothing to read
They were illiterate because there was nothing to read. It's as simple as that....there were no books, in possession of the general population
Did you see God's word saying that Jesus opened up their understanding? *Poof* their goes your claim to illiteracy.Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God." (Matthew 22:29)
“And the common people heard him gladly.” (Mk. 12:37)
"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of Me." (John 5:39)
"And He said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me. {45} Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, " (Luke 24:44-45)
"And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." (2 Timothy 3:15)
“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” (Act 17:11)
"As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby." (1 Peter 2:2)
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. " (2 Timothy
2:15)It has been established that historically Rome did not overall encourage Bible literacy among the laity, and can be said to have even discouraged it. Read more: http://www.peacebyjesus.net/ancients_on_scripture.html#Supplementary#ixzz2JeyarISN
Constantly denying the power of God and going against scripture (poking a stick in God's eye) when you can pray for God to "open up your understanding" does a disservice to God and man.
Gotcha, fornication is OK for Catholics.an annulment does not dissolve a marriage, it declares that there was not a valid marriage in the first place... Therefore; logically; if there was some diddling between the 'marriage' and the 'annulment'; there'd be some FORNICATION to be forgiven
...in the Catholic Church..NO
"I'm still right" (your statements and opinions have been proven wrong dozens of times on this thread alone, by truth backed up with scripture. Pride?)
Daniel thanks for the scripture references that I found on your website.Terycarl Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.--Proverbs 16:18 (another of those pesky scriptures for ya)
I noticed up thread quite a bit you linked them to terycarl but it is obvious she discounts them as apparently not approved by her belief system as her arguments constantly refute them.
terycarl: I do not believe that you can live whatever lifestyle that you choose and not give up your gift of salvation.Like some of your loved and venerated Popes?
Like the one that cut off the fingers of a dug up body from the grave?
Like the one that murdered people, had an affair with a married woman and was shot to death while having sex with her by her husband?
Like the one that rejoiced at the screams of his foes being tortured?
Like the ones that had sex with nuns?
And the ones that had their children killed in the womb by abortion?
The one that had his son, a product of his fornication, become pope?
Did they go to hell?
Losing their salvation? You can't lose something you don't have.
How many Popes do you figure are in Hell?
Hold ur fire. Those guys typically carry their own breathe mints?
I am glad William Carey did not. (And few know of the burden he carried due to his wife's suffering and breakdown.)
1Jn. 5:13 provides for knowing you now have eternal life, based on "things which accompany salvation," (Heb. 6:9) and which involves self judgment, while many texts warn against casting away the faith in "departing from the living God," and drawing back to perdition, (Heb. 3:12;10:35,38; Gal. 5:1-4) and thus God works to chasten us to repentance. (1Cor. 11:32)
But what Rome warns about is presuming you are "assuredly in the number of the predestinate; as if it were true, that he that is justified, either cannot sin any more, or, if he do sin, that he ought to promise himself an assured repentance; for except by special revelation, it cannot be known whom God hath chosen unto Himself. [Trent, The Sixth Session, CHAPTER XII, http://history.hanover.edu/early/trent/ct06.html]
Thus by subjective "special revelation" they may know they are part of the elect. But examining the veracity of Rome's teaching by Scripture is disallowed as "private interpretation" if it is seen as contradicting her. Yet if you are among those who pray "our mother who art in Heaven" (as they effectively make the Lord teaching) then Rome's parameters yet allow you to have great liberty to interpret Scripture to support Rome.
Well; it's either THAT, or they carry the OTHER guy's!
Yes......
Besides what i said here (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2982428/posts?page=49#49), as regards being ignorant of what Scripture (most of which was established by the time of Christ) said, and having to rely in word of mouth stories, this well-referenced source states,
“Josephus writes: “He [Moses] appointed the Law to be the most excellent and necessary form of instruction, ordaining, not that it should be heard once for all or twice or on several occasions, but that every week men should desert their other occupations and assemble to listen to the Law and to obtain a thorough and accurate knowledge of it, a practice which all other legislators seem to have neglected” (Ap. 2.175). As with Philo, Josephus reports a weekly gathering where holy books (specifically identified as the “Law” here) were read aloud and explained.
Also from this time period, we learn about the practice of Scripture reading from the “Theodotus inscription” from a synagogue in Jerusalem: Theodotus, son of Vettenos the priest and synagogue leader (archisynagogos), son of a synagogue leader and grandson of a synagogue leader, built the synagogue for the reading of the Torah and studying of the commandments, and as a hostel with chambers and water installations to provide for the needs of itinerants from abroad, which his fathers, the elders and Simonides founded. 12 A similar picture of the synagogue as a place of reading and instruction is found in Luke-Acts. Luke 4:16-19 reports that Jesus read from a scroll of the prophet Isaiah in a synagogue on the Sabbath “as was his custom.” In Acts 13:15-16, Paul visits a synagogue in Antioch of Pisidia on the Sabbath, where the Law and the Prophets were read. Finally, Acts 15:21 claims that from early generations, Moses was read every Sabbath in the synagogue. The synagogue in early Judaism was apparently a place where Scripture was read and studied every Sabbath.
Yet, the Mishnah indicates that there were other customs of local Scripture reading. In m. Taan. 4:2, it is stated that, at the time when the priestly representative of a locality would officiate in the temple, “the Israelites who were from the same locality would come together to their own towns to read the story of Creation.” Lee Levine suggests that the place for this public reading might have been a city gate, since no synagogue is mentioned. 13 Whether at the city gate or in a synagogue building (Levine argues that the latter evolved out of the former), 14 this text affirms that at an early period the reading of Scripture was taking place on special days of the year separate from the Sabbath reading.”
“The procedure for the Scripture reading [besides the Torah]. Although we do not know for sure who actually performed the readings in our earliest accounts, we know that during the tannaitic period both minors and slaves were permitted to read the Torah scroll, assuming that they were proficient to do so (m. Meg. 4:6; y. Meg. 4:3, 75a). Even when numerous readers were liturgically required, only congregants who were sufficiently learned could read in the Torah. Thus, even though the Sabbath generally required seven readers, if only one person was present who was pro?cient to read in the Torah, he alone would read all seven segments (y. Meg. 4:3, 75a; cf. t. Meg. 3:12). Some of these regulations would change in later periods. For example, after the full development of Bar Mitzvah, minors were no longer allowed to read in the Torah scroll. 34”
“The Mishnah records no rules governing the length of the haftarah [a series of selections from the books of Prophets]. The Tosefta lists several speci?c haftarot, the shortest of which is only one verse, Isa 52:3 (t. Meg. 3:18). In the Talmuds, the number of required prophetic verses is lengthened to twenty-one, matching the minimum of twenty-one verses of Torah on the Sabbath (i.e. 7 readers x a minimum of 3 verses each) (y. Meg. 4:2, 75a). 38 The practice of reading at least twenty-one verses for the haftarah eventually become standard, although exceptions were made for older readings that were too short. In general, the rules regarding the haftarot were more flexible than those for the Torah portions. Ultimately, the length of the readings, the declining knowledge of Hebrew, and the increasing role of fixed cantillation required that a “professional” reader take over the responsibilities of reading the Scripture. 39 In post- talmudic Babylonia, a precentor would help the reader along by accompanying him softly. As time went on, the role of the precentor increased to the point that the one “called up” was no longer reading at all. 40 Hence, the one called up to the Torah was responsible only for saying the benedictions.” (Journal of the evangelical theological society 470,75,76; http://www.etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/50/50-3/JETS_50-3_467-487_Graves.pdf)
Note that multitudes were ignorant of Scripture, and were moved by the supernatural attestation which Scripture testifies God gave (and gives) to truth claims, (Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12) especially in instituting a covenant. (Heb. 2:3)
However, it remains that Scripture is evidenced as being the supreme standard by which all it judged (not a group of men despite their elitist cultic claims), including whether a miracle is from God, as the devil seeks to operate on whatever level God does, but evil is to be overcome by good, and “judgment shall return unto righteousness: and all and the upright in heart shall follow it.” (Ps. 94:15) To the glory of God.
The problem here is that not only do RCs censure evangelicals for their confidence of eternal life based upon the premise that this is presumption even to presently have that confidence and thus the surprise expressed by metmom, but by enlisting "2 billion or so" Catholics as being on your side (though you provided no source for that number) then you necessarily include the vast multitudes of liberal RCs - who even seem to make up the majority - that other traditional RCs reject as self-excommunicated. (I assume you are a traditional type RC.)
However, as Rome treats these kind as members in life and in death, and most of the many RCs i have spoken on the issue to expressed confidence of going to Heaven (usually because they are Catholic and pretty good), then you could be considered to be accurate if not for an apparently inflated number.
The Law commands a man who is divorcing his wife to WRITE her a certificate of divorce.
The implication is that he is literate enough to write one out.
And that's what I was saying is that no Catholic has the absolute confidence that they are going there. It's always that they hope so and will find out after it's too late when they get there.
Good insight. And all the males of the entire tribe of Levi would have also.
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