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1 posted on 07/26/2012 11:34:19 AM PDT by Teófilo
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2 posted on 07/26/2012 11:37:06 AM PDT by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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Oh,boy. This might get ugly.

I’m not going to get into the fray.


3 posted on 07/26/2012 11:40:41 AM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (It's hurricane season! Yay!)
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Are the Torah and the Gospel mutually exclusive?

No.

Next question?

6 posted on 07/26/2012 11:56:45 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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See, it was not Israel’s God that did anything, because Israel doesn’t HAVE a God. God has Israel, along with every other country in the world. There’s only one God, and He accepts all who truly seek him according to dharma and the Word, Aum, Amen.


8 posted on 07/26/2012 12:06:41 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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OK EVERYONE get this straight, W/out the Jewish People(G*D’s Chosen) there would be NO Christianity. Without Genesis there in NO Revelation. The Holy Bible ALL OF IT(w/ the Torah, the ENTIRE Old Testemnet and the New Testament)is an intergrated Message System and a Love Letter from the HOLY CREATOR of the UNIVERSE to You and Me!


9 posted on 07/26/2012 12:07:25 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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You don't have to read very far into the Torah before it starts to point to the Gospel. Genesis 3:15 indicates that someone in the future will crush the head of the serpent. In the words of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic,"
"Let the hero born of woman crush the serpent with his heel."
11 posted on 07/26/2012 12:26:17 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Teófilo
Are the Torah and the Gospel mutually exclusive?

Sort of.

Jesus very specifically stated that nobody comes to the Father except through Christ. At a time when he was exclusively preaching to the Jews, so quite obviously he meant that Jews could not come to the Father except through Christ.

So as I see it someone who believes Christ meant what he said must believe that for a Jew to be saved he must accept Christ as his savior. Since many Jews, quite understandably given history, view such an acceptance as very nearly the ultimate betrayal of Judaism, I think it unlikely many will accept Him.

Christians believe the Torah to be fully a part of Christian scripture. But Jews totally reject the Gospel. So if it's an incompatibility, it's a one-way incompatibility.

BTW, I think a better headline might have been, "Are the Talmud and the Gospel mutually exclusive?" And I think the answer to that one would have been a more emphatic Yes.

12 posted on 07/26/2012 12:32:51 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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Jesus was born, raised and lived as a Jew. Since He was and is without sin, He could not have been involved in an ungodly religion. He did not sin against God while living among us.

Jesus was not killed by the Jews - he was killed by the powerful elites of the day for political reasons (He threatened their power). Those powerful political elites just happened to be Jewish and Roman.

His life, death and resurrection fulfilled the prophecies of the Torah. He is intimately connected with that portion of the Word of God.

I personally believe that the Jewish people are still God's Chosen - He gave them that promise and He is eternally faithful and true to His Word.

13 posted on 07/26/2012 12:33:56 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Teófilo

Another assertion masquerading as a question.


16 posted on 07/26/2012 12:57:30 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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17 posted on 07/26/2012 1:00:05 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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I can’t keep the Law; don’t know of but one person who did. I acknowledge that the Law is good. One day, the Judge will clear it all up; for now, I’m asking Him to help me get it right. Being afraid to ask Him to help me get it right would be ignorant; and so, grace and peace to all who seek Him and His Salvation.


23 posted on 07/26/2012 1:10:14 PM PDT by Twinkie (Obama; fundamentally turning America into Sodom & Gomorrah one EO at a time.)
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25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.

26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.

30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! 34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” 35 “Who has ever given to God, that God should repay him?” 36 For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen. Romans 11:


26 posted on 07/26/2012 1:16:39 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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Whether the gospel excludes the Torah is something that chrstians have been arguing about for two millenia, though Paul and the vast majority say that it does. But there is no doubt whatsoever that the Torah does exclude the "gospel" or any other later religion.
34 posted on 07/26/2012 1:55:07 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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Are Torah and the Gospel mutually exclusive?

Christianity is the only religion that uses the back 1/4 of its Scriptures to nullify the front 3/4. I would say that if the question is legitimately a question that Christians ask, then they must follow a different Messiah than the one quoted in Matthew 5:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Torah or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Torah until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. " Matthew 5:17-19

What convoluted logic can conclude that "fulfilled" or " accomplished" means nullified? Especially after the direct challenge to DO and to TEACH the commandments therein?
36 posted on 07/26/2012 2:23:15 PM PDT by Tzfat
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...and that he was the Messiah that was predicted by each and every seer...

Curious - how will the Jews know the Messiah when they see him? It is estimated that Jesus met over 300 OT (Torah) prophecies.

What other signs or markers for Messiah would the Jews accept?

37 posted on 07/26/2012 2:23:27 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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Do you preach the Gospel to your Jewish friends?

If so don’t expect to convert them.

Preaching/witnessing to them probably won’t go over well.


44 posted on 07/26/2012 5:01:09 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (It's hurricane season! Yay!)
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Torah is the first pages of the Gospel.

Most of the facets of Christ’s life have been found ELS coded within Torah.


53 posted on 07/26/2012 8:15:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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No, the Torah and the Gospel are not mutually exclusive. The laws of God are meant to serve as a reminder to us as to where we fail. "You shall not lie.", "You shall not steal.", "You shall not commit adultery.", are no more different than God saying, "You shall not eat of that tree." They mirror our failure. It's like the rich young ruler who told Jesus, "Hey, I kept every commandment. I haven't murder, lie, or committed adultery." It was only when our Lord politely stated, "Go and sell everything you have." that the young man understood that he broke the tenth commandment, "You shall not covet."

Not one dot of the law will go away because they expose our real nature-our sinfulness. And we may think that if we run back and try to be more obedient God will welcome us back. But this view fails to understand the holiness of God. The wages of sin is death. The rich young ruler walked away sorrowful because he understood that if he broke just one command, one time, then he has transgressed all of the law. He was sentence to death. It's as if he took that fruit off the tree himself.

But as the wise woman from Tekoa stated:

God's plan to solve our failing to meet His law is through His grace in our Lord Jesus. He devised that through His Son we could be brought into a relationship with Him. This is the good news of the Gospel, that Christ fulfilled the law so that we could be brought into a relationship with God and willingly took our death sentence by dying in our place so we could live with Him forever. All we have to do is recognize how we do not keep the Law and ask Him to cover our sins.

The Law of God is perfect and illustrates God's love for us. It shows our failure to do the right and good things. The Gospel is God's plan for our failures. We wouldn't know the Good News (the Gospel) if we didn't understand the Law and how we fail.

57 posted on 07/27/2012 1:46:08 AM PDT by HarleyD
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Interesting take by the Middle Ager: He was a Jew because his mother was a Jewess although his father was a Gentile.
60 posted on 07/27/2012 3:13:28 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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What is the duty of any Christian? Christ referenced and quoted Moses thus made the Torah one and the same as the Gospel. IF one is ignorant of the Torah they are ‘blind’ as to the simplicity of the first coming of Christ. Leave the blind alone, as some future point in time on the Heavenly Father’s calendar He promises to peel away the scales that blind.

Godly love cannot be forced, bought or sold it comes from within as normal mothers have for their new born child. The first commandment still holds, Thou shall have NO other ‘god(s) before ME!!!! Never, not one time in the whole of the Bible during this flesh journey have the majority been on the side of ‘Right’, and there is nothing new under the sun.


82 posted on 07/27/2012 7:15:36 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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