This should suggest the Origin of Talmudic writings.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Having read through the various posts to this point, three things strike me:
1) There are different definitions/concepts of “Torah” being used. In my experience debates that are initiated without defining (precising) terms usually descends quickly into a pointless and often hostile shouting match.
2) There appears to be the assumption that Judaism is monolithic. While there might be some truth to that today (and, yes, I know there are other viewpoints, but they are very much the minority), it certainly was not true at the time of Jesus. There were significant differences between Pharisees, Sadducees, Herodians, Zealots, Essenes, and those with whom Jesus resonated ... and, perhaps, others. Because modern Judaism is, essentially, Pharisaic Judaism (don’t take my word for it, consult the Encyclopedia Judaica for yourselves on this matter), the Pharisaical viewpoint - whether of the conservative-leaning variety or the skeptical-leaning variety - is the lens through which all matters Jewish are viewed today. I do not buy into the notion of a monolithic Judaism from which Jesus rebelled or which He discarded as useless.
3) It is evident also that assumption reigns here that the Old Testament (or Hebrew Bible or Tanach, if you prefer) is all about “law” and the New Testament all about “gospel” as opposed to law. If one looks at the words of Jesus quoted in the canonical New Testament - and here I have no interest in dealing with the skeptical opinions of academics who want to debate, ala the Jesus Seminar, which words Jesus did or did not speak - you will find that He assumed no such thing.
These three things, it seems to me, render this discussion pretty much useless.
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