Posted on 07/26/2012 11:34:14 AM PDT by Teófilo
I respectfully disagree. God never imposed dietary rules on us gentiles, beyond that contained in the Law of Noah: that you can’t eat a limb off a living animal, for example. But God never told my Irish ancestors that the pig was forbidden to them, and the Jewish Apostles unanimously agreed not to stick the Galations (Celts like the Irish) with circumcision and dietary regulations, etc. It never pertained to us. Not in the OT, not in the NT. So, and I’ll end with this, I see no contradiction.
It was written..... but not by God.... but by others..
What I'm hearing you say is that is NO WORD of G-d.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Sorry to disagree.
The Christian Bible starts with Matthew. Christians may go by some of what the Torah says but Christianity has rendered the Torah null and void.
The idea of G-d becoming man is abhorrent to Jews. It is also heretic.
G-d made it very clear to the Jews that He is the ONLY one to be worshipped. He made it clear that He shares His glory with no one and that no one is equal to Him.
You can believe that the Hebrew Scriptures refer to Jesus but don’t be surprised when the Jews disagree and maybe even get angry.
We Jews accept the Hebrew Scriptures as the Word of G-d.
For us the TANACH is the ONLY Word of G-d.
We do not and will not accept any other verses/books as being His Word.
Don’t be shocked when Jews get hostile and angry when you say we do not accept His Word.
The “New” Testament IS NOT for the Jews.
Close but not quite right.
jesus is the god of another land. christianity is the false religion associated with him.
Well according to Noahide.com, the following :
The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of “Jesus the Nazarene”:
He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh—which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).
There is another references that are in the Talmud (like him being boiled in excrement or semen).
This book was recommended to me by a friend. It’s an easy read and meticulously referenced :
http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Talmud-Peter-Sch%C3%A4fer/dp/0691129266
You do realize that these passages do not all describe the same person. The stretch is that all these stories mean the Jesus of Christianity, but their real subject is disguised. There is sometimes zeal to find answers that actually aren’t there.
>> “ but Christianity has rendered the Torah null and void.” <<
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Just fake Christianity.
>> “The idea of G-d becoming man is abhorrent to Jews.” <<
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Poorly educated Jews. That is the basic prophecy contained in Tabernacles; YHWH coming to Tabernacle with us.
>> “You can believe that the Hebrew Scriptures refer to Jesus but don’t be surprised when the Jews disagree and maybe even get angry.” <<
Romans 10 explains that, and it is something we have to live with until his return is near, and the two witnesses rise up.
Poorly educated Jews? Our scriptures make it very clear that G-d is not a man. It is considered blasphemous to equate G-d with a man. The trinity is pagan and heretical to the jews. It also constitutes polytheism.
The Torah is not followed by Christians,just cherry-picked verses that allegedly point to Jesus. Christians are not educated about Torah,since they believe that it points to Jesus when it does not. The Tanach as a whole does not point to Jesus.
Don’t be surprised when I and my fellow Jews gey irritated,even outraged,when you insist that our scriptures refer to Jesus.
May I ask what branch of Christianity you belong to?
We get angry when christians who profess to know all about Torah tell us that WE are wrong.
It takes a lot of nerve to pull that baloney.
And since you consider yourself a know-it-all and because of our less-than-friendly debates in the past I no longer wish to interact with you.
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But you’re the one that stuck your willfully ignorant nose in and interacted.
None of what you butted in on was posted to you.
The true author of Torah, YHWH, placed ELS messages in it saying “My name is Yeshua” in 15 places.
Cool, huh?
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Uh,I’m Jewish and I didn’t see this as a closed forum so anyone is welcome to respond. Jew,Christian,Noahide,etc.
I “butted in” because I wanted to enagage in non-hostile debate with other FReepers.
What makes me ignorant? The fact that Jews adhere to the TANACH and that we believe it the only true Word of G-d,at least for us. We do not believe in the trinity because it is blaspemous in our eyes and that we do not accept any man as G-d in the flesh. But there is a lot more than that,as any Jew can attest to.
You can believe what you believe but please don’t tell the Jews that they are wrong. Learn to accept the fact that we do not and will not accept Jesus. We see the verses differently than you and your fellow christians.
The messiah will be fully human and in no way divine.
The name ‘Yeshua’ is not correct. It means something else all together.
Go to ‘Messiah Truth’, a Jewish site that will explain everything to you.Questions and answers galore.
If you don’t then you will be the ignorant one who isn’t willing to see the TANACH from the Jewish point of view.
And what are ELS messages?
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man...
I apologize.
I’ll ease up.
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