Posted on 07/26/2012 11:34:14 AM PDT by Teófilo
PING!
Oh,boy. This might get ugly.
I’m not going to get into the fray.
Yes, the history between thee two faith was quite ugly. But the spiritual linkagee between Judaism and Christianity is undeniable. The New Testament wouldd not maake sense without the Torah and the rest of the OT. Judaism dosn’t need the NT but we (Christians) can’t do without the OT.
Smart move. However, I'm driven to throw my two cents in.
This post may have merit. But the end result is that it will drive a wedge between Christians and Jews. And that is not a good thing.
No.
Next question?
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When Jew-haters get zotted they retread and become much more circumspect with their invitations to Jew-bashing. But the goal is always the same.
See, it was not Israel’s God that did anything, because Israel doesn’t HAVE a God. God has Israel, along with every other country in the world. There’s only one God, and He accepts all who truly seek him according to dharma and the Word, Aum, Amen.
OK EVERYONE get this straight, W/out the Jewish People(G*D’s Chosen) there would be NO Christianity. Without Genesis there in NO Revelation. The Holy Bible ALL OF IT(w/ the Torah, the ENTIRE Old Testemnet and the New Testament)is an intergrated Message System and a Love Letter from the HOLY CREATOR of the UNIVERSE to You and Me!
Yep.
Sort of.
Jesus very specifically stated that nobody comes to the Father except through Christ. At a time when he was exclusively preaching to the Jews, so quite obviously he meant that Jews could not come to the Father except through Christ.
So as I see it someone who believes Christ meant what he said must believe that for a Jew to be saved he must accept Christ as his savior. Since many Jews, quite understandably given history, view such an acceptance as very nearly the ultimate betrayal of Judaism, I think it unlikely many will accept Him.
Christians believe the Torah to be fully a part of Christian scripture. But Jews totally reject the Gospel. So if it's an incompatibility, it's a one-way incompatibility.
BTW, I think a better headline might have been, "Are the Talmud and the Gospel mutually exclusive?" And I think the answer to that one would have been a more emphatic Yes.
Jesus was not killed by the Jews - he was killed by the powerful elites of the day for political reasons (He threatened their power). Those powerful political elites just happened to be Jewish and Roman.
His life, death and resurrection fulfilled the prophecies of the Torah. He is intimately connected with that portion of the Word of God.
I personally believe that the Jewish people are still God's Chosen - He gave them that promise and He is eternally faithful and true to His Word.
A very odd statement, IMO.
Was Jesus killed by "The Jews," IWO did all or most of the nation get together and conspire to kill him? Of course not. Any more than the Roman nation did.
Was he killed by Jews, that is by people who were Jews, in fact the designated leaders of the nation? Pretty much. The Gospel accounts are clear that the Jews were the ones who decided he had to die and who did whatever was necessary to reach that goal.
Does this let Pilate off the hook? Nope. He was obviously willing to kill a man he knew to be innocent just to avoid hassle to himself. A truly evil thing to do.
But was he the driving force behind the murder? Nope. He did not have a clue who Jesus was until he was brought before him.
The logical conclusion is that a group of Jewish leaders were the ones primarily responsible for the murder. Does their bloodguilt descend to their progeny for all eternity? Of course not, no more than any other crime.
But focusing on the killers power status as being their main identifier rather than on ethnicity seems very odd to me. By their own words they killed him for what they saw as threats to the Jewish religion and nation, IOW for specifically religious reasons.
The Gospel accounts are clear that the Jews Jewish leaders were the ones who decided he had to die and who did whatever was necessary to reach that goal.
Another assertion masquerading as a question.
Beep!
And what assertion is that?
~Theo
OK...and this contradicts what I said how?
~Theo
But focusing on the killers power status as being their main identifier rather than on ethnicity seems very odd to me. By their own words they killed him for what they saw as threats to the Jewish religion and nation, IOW for specifically religious reasons.
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