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Are the Torah and the Gospel mutually exclusive?
Vivificat - from Contemplation to Action ^ | 26 July 2012 | TDJ

Posted on 07/26/2012 11:34:14 AM PDT by Teófilo

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1 posted on 07/26/2012 11:34:19 AM PDT by Teófilo
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PING!


2 posted on 07/26/2012 11:37:06 AM PDT by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: Teófilo

Oh,boy. This might get ugly.

I’m not going to get into the fray.


3 posted on 07/26/2012 11:40:41 AM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (It's hurricane season! Yay!)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

Yes, the history between thee two faith was quite ugly. But the spiritual linkagee between Judaism and Christianity is undeniable. The New Testament wouldd not maake sense without the Torah and the rest of the OT. Judaism dosn’t need the NT but we (Christians) can’t do without the OT.


4 posted on 07/26/2012 11:51:36 AM PDT by brooklyn dave
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
I’m not going to get into the fray.

Smart move. However, I'm driven to throw my two cents in.

This post may have merit. But the end result is that it will drive a wedge between Christians and Jews. And that is not a good thing.

5 posted on 07/26/2012 11:54:14 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Teófilo
Are the Torah and the Gospel mutually exclusive?

No.

Next question?

6 posted on 07/26/2012 11:56:45 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

hehe

When Jew-haters get zotted they retread and become much more circumspect with their invitations to Jew-bashing. But the goal is always the same.


7 posted on 07/26/2012 12:02:12 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Teófilo

See, it was not Israel’s God that did anything, because Israel doesn’t HAVE a God. God has Israel, along with every other country in the world. There’s only one God, and He accepts all who truly seek him according to dharma and the Word, Aum, Amen.


8 posted on 07/26/2012 12:06:41 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: Teófilo

OK EVERYONE get this straight, W/out the Jewish People(G*D’s Chosen) there would be NO Christianity. Without Genesis there in NO Revelation. The Holy Bible ALL OF IT(w/ the Torah, the ENTIRE Old Testemnet and the New Testament)is an intergrated Message System and a Love Letter from the HOLY CREATOR of the UNIVERSE to You and Me!


9 posted on 07/26/2012 12:07:25 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Yep.


10 posted on 07/26/2012 12:20:51 PM PDT by real saxophonist (Proud to have been beat up and shot by the late Paul Gomez. RIP, 'Gnomez'.)
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To: Teófilo
You don't have to read very far into the Torah before it starts to point to the Gospel. Genesis 3:15 indicates that someone in the future will crush the head of the serpent. In the words of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic,"
"Let the hero born of woman crush the serpent with his heel."
11 posted on 07/26/2012 12:26:17 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Teófilo
Are the Torah and the Gospel mutually exclusive?

Sort of.

Jesus very specifically stated that nobody comes to the Father except through Christ. At a time when he was exclusively preaching to the Jews, so quite obviously he meant that Jews could not come to the Father except through Christ.

So as I see it someone who believes Christ meant what he said must believe that for a Jew to be saved he must accept Christ as his savior. Since many Jews, quite understandably given history, view such an acceptance as very nearly the ultimate betrayal of Judaism, I think it unlikely many will accept Him.

Christians believe the Torah to be fully a part of Christian scripture. But Jews totally reject the Gospel. So if it's an incompatibility, it's a one-way incompatibility.

BTW, I think a better headline might have been, "Are the Talmud and the Gospel mutually exclusive?" And I think the answer to that one would have been a more emphatic Yes.

12 posted on 07/26/2012 12:32:51 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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Jesus was born, raised and lived as a Jew. Since He was and is without sin, He could not have been involved in an ungodly religion. He did not sin against God while living among us.

Jesus was not killed by the Jews - he was killed by the powerful elites of the day for political reasons (He threatened their power). Those powerful political elites just happened to be Jewish and Roman.

His life, death and resurrection fulfilled the prophecies of the Torah. He is intimately connected with that portion of the Word of God.

I personally believe that the Jewish people are still God's Chosen - He gave them that promise and He is eternally faithful and true to His Word.

13 posted on 07/26/2012 12:33:56 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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Jesus was not killed by the Jews - he was killed by the powerful elites of the day for political reasons (He threatened their power). Those powerful political elites just happened to be Jewish and Roman.

A very odd statement, IMO.

Was Jesus killed by "The Jews," IWO did all or most of the nation get together and conspire to kill him? Of course not. Any more than the Roman nation did.

Was he killed by Jews, that is by people who were Jews, in fact the designated leaders of the nation? Pretty much. The Gospel accounts are clear that the Jews were the ones who decided he had to die and who did whatever was necessary to reach that goal.

Does this let Pilate off the hook? Nope. He was obviously willing to kill a man he knew to be innocent just to avoid hassle to himself. A truly evil thing to do.

But was he the driving force behind the murder? Nope. He did not have a clue who Jesus was until he was brought before him.

The logical conclusion is that a group of Jewish leaders were the ones primarily responsible for the murder. Does their bloodguilt descend to their progeny for all eternity? Of course not, no more than any other crime.

But focusing on the killers power status as being their main identifier rather than on ethnicity seems very odd to me. By their own words they killed him for what they saw as threats to the Jewish religion and nation, IOW for specifically religious reasons.

14 posted on 07/26/2012 12:51:08 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Acckkk. Left out an important distinction.

The Gospel accounts are clear that the Jews Jewish leaders were the ones who decided he had to die and who did whatever was necessary to reach that goal.

15 posted on 07/26/2012 12:52:49 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Teófilo

Another assertion masquerading as a question.


16 posted on 07/26/2012 12:57:30 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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Beep!


17 posted on 07/26/2012 1:00:05 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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Another assertion masquerading as a question

And what assertion is that?

~Theo

18 posted on 07/26/2012 1:02:01 PM PDT by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: US Navy Vet
OK EVERYONE get this straight, W/out the Jewish People(G*D’s Chosen) there would be NO Christianity. Without Genesis there in NO Revelation. The Holy Bible ALL OF IT(w/ the Torah, the ENTIRE Old Testemnet and the New Testament)is an intergrated Message System and a Love Letter from the HOLY CREATOR of the UNIVERSE to You and Me!

OK...and this contradicts what I said how?

~Theo

19 posted on 07/26/2012 1:05:06 PM PDT by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: Sherman Logan

But focusing on the killers power status as being their main identifier rather than on ethnicity seems very odd to me. By their own words they killed him for what they saw as threats to the Jewish religion and nation, IOW for specifically religious reasons.


Did the Jewish religion condone killing in such a situation. Just asking - I don’t know.


20 posted on 07/26/2012 1:06:42 PM PDT by freedomlover
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