Posted on 07/26/2012 11:34:14 AM PDT by Teófilo
Why will this post "drive a wedge between Christians and Jews"? Please, explain.
~Theo
You question has the veneer of “Replacement Theology”. Is it?
I can’t keep the Law; don’t know of but one person who did. I acknowledge that the Law is good. One day, the Judge will clear it all up; for now, I’m asking Him to help me get it right. Being afraid to ask Him to help me get it right would be ignorant; and so, grace and peace to all who seek Him and His Salvation.
The Jewish leaders considered him a blasphemer and as such subject to the death penalty under the Law.
And if his claims about himself were not true, then he was a blasphemer.
YOU AND ME AND THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE put Jesus on that cross. Remember Jesus’ death and resurrection was NOT a tragedy it was an ACHIEVEMNT! He gave us the chance to avoid DAMNATION by accepting HIM as lord and savior and head of our lives!
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! 34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” 35 “Who has ever given to God, that God should repay him?” 36 For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen. Romans 11:
I agree. But those individuals who conspired to commit and did indeed commit murder, under the provisions of their own Law, are not thereby freed from guilt for their crime.
That Good comes from Evil does not make it any less evil.
I would say that Jesus’ death was a tragedy, an achievement and a crime. The three are not mutually exclusive.
Deuteronomy 13
King James Version (KJV)
13 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
If it was part of Jewish Law, fine. If it was part of Roman Law, not so. Which was the case?
Again an honest Q
Did you read my conclusion? Just jump there.
~Theo
In the Sanhedrin trial Christ was condemned for blasphemy under Jewish law, because he made a statement in court the judges saw as tantamount to claiming he was God. (Whether this statement did indeed constitute such a claim is an entirely different question.)
Had the Jewish leaders hauled him before Pilate charged with blasphemy, Pilate and the other Romans would have got a huge laugh out of the situation. Romans just did not care whether someone infringed Jewish law.
So instead the Jewish leaders charged him with political crimes: instructing people not to pay taxes, saying he was a king (therefore in direct confrontation with Caesar), and incitement to riot. The Roman judge condemned him on these charges, despite being fully aware of his innocence.
If Jesus was NOT the Christ, then he was justly condemned for blasphemy by the Jewish courts. He was completely innocent of the charges against him in the Roman court.
I personally do not think Jesus was ministering only to those who were Jews
Not exclusively, but he was pretty clear that his ministry was focused heavily on the Jewish nation.
Mark 7
24 And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid.
25 For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children’s crumbs.
29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
Curious - how will the Jews know the Messiah when they see him? It is estimated that Jesus met over 300 OT (Torah) prophecies.
What other signs or markers for Messiah would the Jews accept?
My contention is that He was killed by the political leadership of the area in power at that time, who just happened to be Jews and Romans.
My point is, as a Christian, I hold no animosity towards the Jewish faith for the crucifixion. I was not trying to be controversial (this time :-).
The post emphasizes differences, not commonalities.
For example, the statement by Maimonides would be seen as offensive by many Christians. And then there is the statement from Cardinal Ratzinger, asking if Christians should "tolerate" Judaism. Many Jews would find that offensive.
But I will say this. The article ended well, with the "Love is the Key" remarks.
“Judaism dosn’t need the NT”
I think they do need it, but they don’t know it, and wouldn’t admit it if they did.
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