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To: CTrent1564
The Christ Victor-Recapitulation idea is very important in the Eastern Orthodox Church and many later Church Fathers also used this theory [St. Athanasius, St. Augustine and St. Clement of Alexandria].

The Eastern Orthodox Church followed the teachings of Pelagius and John Cassian (a follower of Pelagius and one who emphasized "semi-Pelagius"). As I've stated many times on this board, it isn't surprising the Roman Church is identifying with the eastern Church. They have embraced the semi-Pelegius views which at one time was rejected by the Church as heresy.

The idea that Christ merely was a symbol of perfect love acting out His obedience to the Father may be rooted in eastern teachings but it certainly was not part of western teachings. Augustine view (especially late in life) which he received from the early teachings of Cyprian, was that man was saved to do good works. We don't do good works to be saved. A subtle but important difference. He condemned semi-Pelagius and fought very hard against it. The Church embraced it at the Council of Trent.

Patristic Soteriology: Clement of Rome
245 posted on 06/16/2012 5:35:52 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

HarleyD:

Lets be clear about what Pelegians theory is. It is that Man can, without God’s Grace, come to know God and thus become justified. In other words, Man could come to Know God and follow him thru unaided human power. It is in this context that Pelagius and his Doctrine was rejected. This view is Rejected by the Catholic Church and has been since the 5th century. Man can only have Faith because of God’s Grace and Man can only live the Theological virtures of Faith, Hope and Love, because of God’s Grace.

The Catholic position of Justification rejects any notion that justication comes about through and inwardness or merely disposition but also objects to the mere performance of a physical act without and inward disposition to Faith, Hope and Love. What is necessary for salvation is a faith that represents itself externally through acts of Love and internally through Faith.

St. Augustine believed in Infused or Imparted Grace for Justification, hence is strong statements on Baptism versus Pelagius and his followers. In fact, St. Augustine stressed Baptism as the Sacrament of Grace as the starting point of Justification to such a degree against Pelagius [The Doctrine of Original Sin was also more cleary developed because of the Pelagius Controvery] that Pelagius posed the question as the fate of unbaptized Infants. It is in the context of that discussion that St. Augustine “Proposed” Limbo. Now, note that Limbo was a Theological theory that was proposed to Pelagius and his followers question regarding the fate of unbaptized infants and because it was St. Augustine’s theory, it was taught, not as Dogma/Doctrine, but a Theological Theory even until the time I was a kid.

It is still a plausible theory but one that does not seem to the the predominate one in Catholic Theology today. In fact, the Catechism issued in 1992 seems to allow for the possibility but tends to rest on Hope that God in His Mercy will Save those infants who died without Baptism [CCC paragraph 1261]


290 posted on 06/16/2012 9:30:07 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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