Posted on 06/13/2012 2:59:02 PM PDT by Gamecock
No, it's actually Holy Spirit inspired Scripture written by Paul. Galatians 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
The Holy Spirit inspired Scripture written by Paul that you quoted is talking about righteousness through the law, which is correct. We are not talking of works of the law:
2. Did you clothe the naked?
3. Did you give a drink to the thirsty, etc.
If the works of the Law, handed down by God Himself couldn’t save, then what makes anyone think any rules or works they decide to add themselves are going to save?
Do Catholics get to decide for themselves what good works qualify for God to accept? Why should He accept man-made additions to His own Law?
I feel really sorry for Catholics. Those of us who rely on Christ alone have Jesus in us 24/7/365 and will for eternity.
» John 17:23: Christ Himself prays to His Father: "I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one." » Romans 8:10: Paul tells us, "If Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin." » Galatians 2:20: Paul speaks of himself and all true Christians: "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me." » Ephesians 3:17-18: Referring to the "inner man," Paul mentions that he prays "that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith." » I John 3:24: John writes: "Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit which He has given us."
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.
Catholics claim it’s their faith be we know it’s not our faith but the faith of Christ that we are saved.
Paul says, “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith OF the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.” Galatians 2:20
Notice it says by the faith of Christ. Not >u>my faith in Christ. It’s not our faith we rely on, it’s Christ’s faith which we were promised would sustain us. It’s not our righteousness we rely on which Catholics constantly try to impose.
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: Philippians 3:9
We aren’t even capable of having faith without Christ giving it to us. It’s His faith that He gives us by living in us.
It’s the faith of Christ in us that imparts righteousness to us and not the following of the law of the flesh that Catholics insist is what is needed for salvation. The RCC teaches that it’s by living according to the laws of the flesh that is needed for salvation. True believers are told that it’s Christ Jesus living in us that gives us that righteousness, sanctification and redemption.
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. 1 Corinthians 1:30-31
It’s God who gets the glory for it is God who works through us and not we who follow some law of the flesh. Now if each of us who truly have accepted Jesus as our savior possess the righteousness of Christ would you please tell me who has more righteousness then Christ?
All sins that one has committed and confessed.
We are set free. If Catholics want to put themselves under bondage to try to live a perfect life that nobody is capable of living and try to earn heaven by their own efforts, well, have at it.
You are set free if you confess the sins committed. Catholics are not under bondage as long as they confess their sins and are truly sorry for them. If you are not confessing your sins, you are not doing it right.
Like I said. The day I see you physically eat a scroll or a book. If you take one literally you must take it all literally. I suppose you will see a door when Jesus shows up.
We who have put our faith in Christ alone for salvation have been clothed in the righteousness of Christ, HIS perfect life and good works are credited to our account.
Additionally, that is the judgment of the unsaved, those who rejected Christ's finished work on the cross and appealed to their own good works to save them. God is giving them what they want.
They want to get into heaven on their good works? God will judge them by that. And it's not going to turn out well.
It's right out of the Bible.....
Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
All I ask is what He asks; that you pray for us and love us as we and He loves you.
Peace be with you
Yup. I'm free.
Yes, good works are credited to our account. You don't have to remind God of them, as was asked here and was the question I was responding to.
Additionally, that is the judgment of the unsaved, those who rejected Christ's finished work on the cross and appealed to their own good works to save them.
Yes, without faith their good works are dead, and vice versa.
They want to get into heaven on their good works? God will judge them by that. And it's not going to turn out well.
Yes, for those without faith, that will certainly happen.
“I feel really sorry for Catholics”
Then you feel sorry Peter, Mark, John, Matthew, Luke, and the rest of the first Christians? They were all Catholic. And if you had lived before a German Monk named Luther, you would have also been a Catholic.
Deal with it partner,it’s fact.
All He did was raise the bar.
Catholics misunderstand the Law.
For one thing, Jesus didn't come to change the Law but fulfill it.
Matthew 5:17-20 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
And the Law was never put into effect to save people anyway but rather to show us what God's standards are so that we could come to Christ for salvation.
Galatians 3:15-29 15 Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.
17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
19 What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.
21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
23 Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.
26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
"Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law." = We are free from the obligation of trying to live by the Law when we've put our faith in Christ for salvation because we are now sons of God through faith.
For Catholics, everything revolves around Catholicism.
For Christians, everything revolves around Christ.
That contradicts the entire message of the New Testament. Salvation is by works - not works of the law, but works of faith. Faith with no action - prayer, love, taking care of your neighbor, etc. is dead and not real. Good works are the form of faith. So a man who claims faith but does not pray and live piously and charitably will die the death.
Many non-Catholics confuse St. Paul preaching against attempting salvation by the works of the Law (the Old Covenant) - "For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law" (Romans 3.28), with achieving salvation by good works in Christ. Jesus explicitly said in Matthew 7.21-23 that he will be telling the evil believers crying out "Lord, Lord" to "depart from me". Those who live the faith by being charitable to their neighbor will be welcomed into the Kingdom (Matthew 25.31-46, James 1.22-27).
Catholics misunderstand the Law.
No, they do not. It is the old covenant.
"Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law."
Nobody is saying that we are.
We are free from the obligation of trying to live by the Law when we've put our faith in Christ for salvation because we are now sons of God through faith.
And faith without works is dead. Don't confuse those works with "works of the Law".
You can rely on the RCC if you want to but I’ll stay with Christ.
1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
The church I belong to is much older than the RCC. It was started by the apostles.
Romans 16:5 Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my well-beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.
Colossians 4:15 Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.
Philemon 1:2 And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house:
We see the RCC which was established thousands of years later this way.
Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
The self aggrandizing leadership in many organized religions today isn’t what God ordained.
1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. You see, our way is much, much older than the apostate RCC organization and survived despite the evil oppression and persecution of the RCC. We don’t set up idols or revere mere men.
2 Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
Not with a capital c they weren’t, they were part of the catholic (small c, as in universal) body of Christ as are all who have ever trusted in Christ alone. And there is no way Peter, Mark, John, Matthew, Luke, and the rest of the first Christians could possibly have been part of the RCC or any organized Catholic (Capital C, as in imposter) since there was none at the time.
Just wow......
Way to misquote someone.
I did NOT say that good works are credited to our account as if to say that OUR good works are credited to our account.
I clearly and plainly said,.... and I quote.
"We who have put our faith in Christ alone for salvation have been clothed in the righteousness of Christ, HIS perfect life and good works are credited to our account."
If you're going to quote someone, do try to have enough integrity next time to quote the entire thing they say so that it is not misrepresenting their position.
So, if you’re depending on your good works to get you in, how do you know you did enough?
And how do you know you did the right ones?
What if you come up short?
What kind of God do you serve who would leave you hanging like that in regard to your salvation and would let you come up short and send you to hell for it?
Really?
Matthew 5:21-22 21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
Matthew 5:27-28 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matthew 5:48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
1 John 3:15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
Don't confuse those works with "works of the Law".
Any works outside of the Law are sin. The Law DEFINES what good works are.
If you don't realize that the Law really teaches what Jesus taught in the Beatitudes, you don't know the Law very well. Any of the works Jesus taught in the Beatitudes are already part of the Law.
Catholics really do misunderstand the Law.
It’s interesting, isn’t it that Catholics continually lecture us about doing good works to get into heaven as if not one non-Catholic does any good works.
And, of course, they get to define what good works are and which ones qualify for entry into heaven.
What chutzpah.
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