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Understanding Addiction
You Tube ^ | 5/15/2018 | Ted Adamson

Posted on 05/15/2012 6:25:37 PM PDT by tedw

New You Tube Video on Addiction. Basically I am sick and tired of the so-called "experts" spouting off nonsense regarding drug and alcohol addiction.

The most current one I found was a licensed Clincial Psychologist "enlightening" (tongue in check) us that addiction is a "brain disease". You can find his link here:

http://tinyurl.com/d7h5c6q

The problem with these so-called experts is that they understand nothing. They do not recognize the spiritual realm so they reduce these problems to a physiological level.

They do not recognize the existence of demons or evil and the role it plays in addiction. As a consequence they help nobody. At best they adddict people to anonymous and only rarely is anybody ever really helped.

It's time we had a little light on the subject


TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: addiction; alcoholism; christianity; libertarians; medicalmarijuana; recovery; spirtitual
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To: tedw
One last point: "In The Doctors Opinion it states that “these allergic types can never safely alcohol in any form”. It’s never been proven that alcoholics have an allergy."

Y'all taking that comment too literally. The Allergy is a metaphor for an intense mental reaction that takes place in the alcoholic mind when a drink is taken. This reaction is something that I have personally experienced. All your protestations to the contrary won't be able to sway me, because of my experience.

If you have not personally had this experience, then you are definitely not an alcoholic.

51 posted on 05/16/2012 7:35:48 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: tedw
One MORE last thing (LOL): Throughout your respond to me, you constantly use the phrase "It has never been proven".

Yet your initial post speaks of demons (implying that you believe in God).

So, I remind you: God and demons have never been proven.

Yet they work for you.

So does AA, and God, for me.

Q.E.D.

52 posted on 05/16/2012 7:40:59 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Lazamataz

Many people get sober in AA by substitution their addiction to alcohol to an an addiction to meetings and the comfort and freindships they find there. Not the same thing as an authentic spiritual awakening.

If you are happy with the brainwashing you find in AA, by all means continue.

I was not happy with a program that promotes things that are not true and is “gay friendly”.


53 posted on 05/16/2012 7:54:42 AM PDT by tedw
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To: Lazamataz

You have been brainwashed.

When a person gets right with God, there is no problem with a drink in moderation. For example, I had a small glass of champagne at a friend’s wedding a few years ago. No problem at all.

I know that conflicts with your brainwashing but it is true nonetheless.

English Standard Version (©2001)
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.


54 posted on 05/16/2012 8:00:21 AM PDT by tedw
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To: tedw

Amen.


55 posted on 05/16/2012 8:02:55 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: tedw
When a person gets right with God, there is no problem with a drink in moderation. For example, I had a small glass of champagne at a friend’s wedding a few years ago. No problem at all.

"A drink" "in moderation" could easily be interpreted by the careless alcoholic that moderation in drinking is possible. Look, what works for you might kill me. Further, I submit you never reached the level of alcoholism and addiction that many of us have.

That said, I am very much a believer in God, that Father.

AA stopped fitting in your life. Fine. But for the vast majority of us, it does fit. And it saves our asses. And many of us go on to become closer to God. And for many of us, that is found through Christianity.

Why you would want to try to interfere in that, baffles me.

56 posted on 05/16/2012 8:07:21 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: tedw

Have you ever heard of the “Unbound” ministry?


57 posted on 05/16/2012 8:09:47 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: tedw
Many people get sober in AA by substitution their addiction to alcohol to an an addiction to meetings and the comfort and freindships they find there. Not the same thing as an authentic spiritual awakening.

Absolutely. I agree. Hell, the veterans agree too: The fellowship is not the program.

The spiritual awakening happens after one really works the steps. And sometimes it takes a few times. At that point, God is ready to manifest in all His glory, and he did for me.

I believe there are a million roads to Rome. Yours worked for you. Mine works for me. Why, on Earth, in the name of all that's holy, would you denegrate a viable path that can save lives, and (for those that truly work the program) gets people closer to God?

I've said my piece. I just don't want the alcoholic who still suffers to read your text, assume there is no solution in AA, and then go out and die.

I would strongly suggest that you promote your path, not denegrate another's.

58 posted on 05/16/2012 8:12:38 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: tedw

(I have to admit is seems, to me, odd that — after you said you were an AA for 30 years — you would need to be reminded of the old chestnut that “the fellowship is not the program”!)


59 posted on 05/16/2012 8:20:02 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Lazamataz

I don’t need to be reminded it . The program itself is flawed.

From my book:

“However, my experience with both AA and NA is that the majority of people merely substitute their addiction to drugs or alcohol for an addiction to meetings, and the comforts and friendships they find there. This is not to say that I don’t believe there are rare individuals here and there who actually do wake up from the psychic sleep they live in, but not many. If you are one of the many individuals who has benefited to some extent from these programs, I hope you will realize that my criticism of the programs is well-meaning. And perhaps you will see through some of these programs’ institutionalized lies (i.e., you have a disease). It is the Truth that sets us free, not lies. “


60 posted on 05/16/2012 8:22:27 AM PDT by tedw
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To: tedw
Okay. Well, now we are getting to root motivations. You may have a monetary motivation. You would like people to purchase your book. Further, we read in your texts here that you were involved 'to some extent' in AA.... meaning you were at many points on the fringes of AA.

I don't get to judge you. I have my suspicions about your motivation, your level of alcoholic addiction, your true level of involvement in the program. But I don't get to judge you.

But what I want everyone to take note of is this:

On my side, I say, "Find God the way that works for you. Just FIND GOD. Find sobriety the way that works for you. Just FIND SOBRIETY."

On Ted's side, he says "God is only available my way. The other way sucks. Sobriety is only avaiable my way. The other way sucks."

I will leave it to the reader to decide which is the more spiritual approach.

Good day, sir.

61 posted on 05/16/2012 8:29:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Flavious_Maximus

Institutionalized? J, M and J


62 posted on 05/16/2012 8:33:20 AM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: don-o; RobFromGa

Interesting little series of exchanges. Will leave it to you guys to decide which makes sense. ;)


63 posted on 05/16/2012 8:34:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Lazamataz

“On Ted’s side, he says “God is only available my way. The other way sucks. Sobriety is only avaiable my way. The other way sucks.”

That is your twisited to spin on the matter. I am just saying that what AA teaches about alcoholism is untrue.

My book is available over at Smashwords for .99 cents. Hardly a monetary motivation. If anyone wants it free email me at adamsonted@gmail and I will gladly seen you a free coupon code.

I was deeply involved in AA. I was an Intergroup Representative, Secretary of a Speaker meeting, and and H&I chair with Narcotics Anonymous. I have been a speaker at many meetings, both in NA and AA.

What I am saying conflicts with the brainwashing you have accepted, and it disturbs you.

I want people to be Born Again and be Children of God, not cripples dependent on going to meetings the rest of their life and believing lies.


64 posted on 05/16/2012 8:35:50 AM PDT by tedw
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To: tedw
Briefly, and then I have some brainwashing to be done at work: I am only disturbed that you are denegrating a possible avenue to God. To say that AA is untrue is to denegrate them, no matter how YOU want to spin it. No one signs up to follow something that is untrue.

AA in no way impedes a person becoming a Christian. In fact, it often LEADS to someone becoming a Christian. Further, I have seen people 'graduate' successfully from AA and go on to become an even more spiritual person. I have seen them give up AA and go on to church.

But I don't see them denegrating AA and saying the path that got them sober and on better footing with God is UNTRUE.

You may be, should someone be foolish enough to listen to your denegration, having a hand in someone's death. You may be having a hand in PREVENTING them from getting to know God.

What worked for you might kill me. What worked for me might kill you. That's why I do not denegrate your path, but recommend that people find the way that works for them.

So, if I am 'brainwashed' enough to be open to whatever works for a person to sober them up, and eventually get them to Christ, but you are 'brainwashed' enough to deny any other path but yours as correct, WHO IS TRULY BRAINWASHED?

Physician, heal thyself.

65 posted on 05/16/2012 8:44:10 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: tedw

I walked into AA and one week later turned my life over to Jesus. The people that lead me were not allowed in many meeting across town because they were adament about salvation being spoken about in AA.

I quickly found out that was not allowed. Many sober folks would blow a fuse if you even thought about sharing Jesus.

So I can understand your point of view. Nonetheless AA helps many to not take a drink one day at a time and theres a place for that despite Jesus not being allowed.

In my case a wise Christian used AA to stay sober by working the 12th step outside the doors. He just had to keep his views “disguised” untill the meetings were over.


66 posted on 05/16/2012 8:47:22 AM PDT by winodog
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Lawdy Lawdy. I have been misspelling denigrate for a while now. Yikes. DENIGRATE, not denegrate.

Ah well. Sometimes I suck, sometimes I pwn.

67 posted on 05/16/2012 8:48:09 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: winodog
See now YOUR approach, I have zero problem with. And yeah, I personally believe that AA and NA are only spiritual starting points.... but ya gotta start somewhere.

The most spiritual people I know are those who continued on their development, even while still going to AA and NA. Mostly, they were going there to remind themselves of a few of the basics, but more importantly, to reach out to someone who still suffers.

I myself go to AA and NA less, and have grown spiritually past the program. But I still go, and always will, to help others just coming in.

68 posted on 05/16/2012 8:52:02 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Lazamataz

“But I don’t see them denegrating AA and saying the path that got them sober and on better footing with God is UNTRUE.”

I am telling the Truth about AA, not denigrating it. There are better programs than AA and a person would be well advised to seek them out. I will gladly recommend them to anyone interested.

Your too defensive. AA has lost it’s way. There acceptance of homosexuality is just one sign of it.


69 posted on 05/16/2012 8:54:39 AM PDT by tedw
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To: tedw

What “better” programs? AA is everywhere, its free, and it works for many people.

AA turned away from the salvation of Jesus Christ a long long time ago. Bill W and the Doctor talked about it. They said it did not work for everyone to be beat with the Bible. Most people had been preached to all their lives.

Christians operating in AA have to be subtle and wise like a fox. But it is a wonderful place to plant seeds and be the salt of the earth and be used by God to see miracles.


70 posted on 05/16/2012 9:04:02 AM PDT by winodog
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To: tedw
Okay, we are getting nowhere with you. Really didn't figure I would. However, I am not really writing to you. I am writing to the others, especially those in active addiction or alcoholism, who may read it.

I will conclude with this: Ted says: "I am telling the Truth about AA, not denigrating it. There are better programs than AA and a person would be well advised to seek them out."

I say, instead: "There are many programs of recovery out there. None of them are 'better' than the other. Go find the one that seems to work best for *you*. Keep trying until you get sober and find God. Just keep trying until you find what works for you."

You are exclusionary. I am inclusionary. I need do something now, so I will stop responding to you. You may have the last word.

71 posted on 05/16/2012 9:04:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Lazamataz

Lets say your a homosexual alcoholic and you go to AA. You are accepted for you sinful life and even told about Gay AA meetings where people will be completely accepting of your failing.

Is that as good a program as a Christian progam that tells you the truth that homosexuality is a sin and can be overcome? I think not.

God, by the way, is somewhat exclusionary:

New International Version (©1984)
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

1 Corinthians 6:9

But you probably dont believe that either. I rest my case.


72 posted on 05/16/2012 9:12:33 AM PDT by tedw
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To: tedw
Many people get sober in AA by substitution their addiction to alcohol to an an addiction to meetings and the comfort and freindships they find there. Not the same thing as an authentic spiritual awakening.

Maybe it's in your book, but what is your definition of addiction? I have developed an interest in shape note singing and I try to participate in it as much as I can. An I addicted to singing?

Did it take you 30 years in AA to figure out how wrong it is?

73 posted on 05/16/2012 9:14:09 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: don-o

“Did it take you 30 years in AA to figure out how wrong it is?”

No, I used to try and go to help people even though I knew that much of the “teaching” is false.


74 posted on 05/16/2012 9:18:02 AM PDT by tedw
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To: tedw

So you have decided it is your job to shed light on the subject?


75 posted on 05/16/2012 9:18:54 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: tedw
But you probably dont believe that either. I rest my case.

You have *absolutely no evidence* to support your assertion about what I believe about the Bible or homosexuals.

You rest your case on vapid judgementalism, devoid of a shred of evidence.

If this reflects what sort of style is in your book, I'll pass.

In short, your evidence-free assumptions about my beliefs have angered me. Get lost, creep.

76 posted on 05/16/2012 9:19:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Lazamataz

I said probably.

“In short, your evidence-free assumptions about my beliefs have angered me. Get lost, creep.”

Yes, your an angry person, and not spiritual at all. You are convicted by the words out of your own mouth.


77 posted on 05/16/2012 9:22:35 AM PDT by tedw
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To: Lazamataz
I am writing to the others, especially those in active addiction or alcoholism, who may read it.

Hear Hear! It was exactly postings like this on this board that gave me the courage to take my first steps toward recovery. And I had been in church all my life.

78 posted on 05/16/2012 9:22:40 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: freedumb2003; wastedyears

Heavy metal goes well with demon rum and coke.


79 posted on 05/16/2012 9:25:04 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: tedw; don-o
Yes, your an angry person, and not spiritual at all.

Hey don-o! Tell 'im how angry I am! LOL

Dude, although I am largely a happy person, a jerk can piss me off -- temporarily. And you have been a jerk, and have pissed me off -- temporarily.

TTFL (Ta ta for life)

80 posted on 05/16/2012 9:25:29 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Lazamataz

Words of wisdom. Thank you.


81 posted on 05/16/2012 9:26:27 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: don-o
Hear Hear! It was exactly postings like this on this board that gave me the courage to take my first steps toward recovery. And I had been in church all my life.

This testimony is it's own reward. So grateful you found peace. Bet you that your connection to God is greatly improved, and that your churchgoing experiences are far more rewarding. :)

God bless, brother.

82 posted on 05/16/2012 9:27:02 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: tedw
You have a right to hawk your book anywhere you want. But I don't understand why some people beat up on addicts who find recovery in 12 step programs.

But then I only claim to speak for myself.

83 posted on 05/16/2012 9:29:03 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Lazamataz

My wife shared with me once a way she was taught in the soup kitchens to deal with difficult people. When someone is acting inappropriately, try to find out if they are:

1. Hurtin’ buckaroos

OR

2. Horse’s patoots.

I think both terms are self explanatory and I have found it useful for looking at my own behavior, as well as trying to understand others.


84 posted on 05/16/2012 9:31:10 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: GSWarrior

I am not beating up on them. I spent decades of involvement with 12 step programs.

I am just telling my story and my experience.

Really, what I found is the spiritual awakening that is talked about in the 12 steps, but that so few people in AA and NA ever really find.


85 posted on 05/16/2012 9:34:05 AM PDT by tedw
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To: tedw

One thing I did not have to learn from 1the 12 steps is

Beware of Gurus.

That I learned through hard life experience. And I can smell them a mile away.

Fare thee well.


86 posted on 05/16/2012 9:40:58 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: tedw
I agree with an earlier poster who said that addiction may not be a spiritual disease but many people find a spiritual solution.

I have come to realize that addictions are a symptom of something else, usually childhood abuse or neglect from the mild to the severe.

87 posted on 05/16/2012 9:41:12 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior

That’s true. But Childhood abuse itself stems from an evil spiritual source. It can play a role in addiction. Some call it Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome.

I write about that in the book.


88 posted on 05/16/2012 9:58:46 AM PDT by tedw
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To: GSWarrior

That’s true. But Childhood abuse itself stems from an evil spiritual source. It can play a role in addiction. Some call it Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome.

I write about that in the book.


89 posted on 05/16/2012 9:59:21 AM PDT by tedw
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To: tedw
I call it dysfunctional behavior handed down from generation to generation. I don't think we will ever know the source for certain. But I am okay with your characterization.

Personally, I don't see it as a choice between good and evil, but rather a choice between joy and sorrow. Too much pressure involved in choosing between good and evil...I don't want to make the wrong choice and succumb to evil. Yikes!

I would suggest a more gentle path.

90 posted on 05/16/2012 10:06:48 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Larry Lucido

No more rum for me sadly. For some reason it now makes me black out before I’ve had too much. Maybe there’s too much sugar.


91 posted on 05/16/2012 10:12:52 AM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: GSWarrior

The late Dr. Malachai Martin,Catholic advisor to three Popes and a Church exorcist, called it generational possession.

It is entirely possible for evil to be transferred (thru hatred) from a parent to a child thru abuse. I know. It happened to me.


92 posted on 05/16/2012 10:21:22 AM PDT by tedw
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To: Lazamataz
I have. While I am probably not able to fully understand it (not wired that way), I stand by my point.

If I was to take my friend and lock him up when he was drinking, he would stop drinking (by force). My other friend would still have cancer. One has a problem that requires an act to give the condition, the other has it no matter what. Now, is there brain changes or predispositions that can affect addictive behavior? Of course. My friend has an addictive personality. What worked for him, and others, is to change the cue and habit that caused him to drink and do drugs with something else. He did it first with smoking cigarettes, and lately with exercise.

My point is that I have seen people with destructive behavior say “it is a disease!” and then stop trying to change. May be the people I have managed and known, but calling it a disease was not helpful. When they admit that 1. Have a problem that is out of control, and 2. That there is a possibility to get it under control, they start to get help. Those who have have said "It is a disease!" have had no motivation to change or get help. They view the addiction as something that can not get fixed or treated.

Now this is just from my experience with the people I have known. And from my experience with people is that once you let them take on the mantle of "victim" they loose motivation to change.

93 posted on 05/16/2012 10:49:04 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: ctdonath2

Meant to ping you to 93.


94 posted on 05/16/2012 10:51:27 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
Now this is just from my experience with the people I have known. And from my experience with people is that once you let them take on the mantle of "victim" they loose motivation to change.

Now you have met one person, me, who was conferred the status of victim, but recovered and changed.

They say in the program, "You may not be responsible for your disease... but you ARE responsible for your recovery."

It's not an absolution from all responsibility, for us to accept that the addiction is the disease part.

95 posted on 05/16/2012 10:52:58 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Lazamataz
And I believe you.

There is a neat little book called “The Power of Habit: Why We Do What We Do in Life and Business” that I am reading now, and considering having the managers at my plant read.

AA changed your habits. Much like it has done to quite a few friends of mine. It, and other programs like it, do “brainwash” you to a point. They give you tools to change your habits to a more constructive pattern. Your old patterns remain, but they are (hopefully) redirected.

96 posted on 05/16/2012 10:56:33 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

Diseases require treatment.

Anyone who declares “it’s a disease!” and doesn’t treat/manage it by changing behavior suffers the effects until it destroys them. Some diseases require active treatment, some are managed by avoidance. A diabetic declaring “it’s a disease!” who then consumes a chocolate cake will do himself harm, while many diabetics avoid problems and medication by avoiding certain foods; either way, they’ve still got diabetes and it’s still a disease even though it hinges in large part on cognitive choices.

Those you refer to are just choosing to not treat it, in this case by avoiding imbibing certain beverages. Yes, “victim” status is demoralizing and inhibits effective treatment - regardless of the problem (which sometimes doesn’t exist). Perhaps they’ve never seen someone say “yeah, ok, so I’m a victim - so be it, I’ll do what I must to get past it.” It’s still a disease.

The problem, which you state yet overlook, is that it’s a matter of “take on the mantle of ‘victim’”. Anyone who does, whether or not there is a disease/problem, will lose motivation to change (hence the welfare state). And some just decide that suffering the disease’s effects is preferable to treatment; chocolate cake still tastes real good to a diabetic, and the effects of some chemicals is - for some - preferable to straight-up reality or the possibilities therein.


97 posted on 05/16/2012 11:20:00 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Cloud storage? Dropbox rocks! Sign up at http://db.tt/nQqWGd3 for 2GB free (and I get more too).)
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To: redgolum

You have a plant? Holy toledo, I’m talkin’ to a Genuine One Percenter! :)

Hire me for your web presence. :)


98 posted on 05/16/2012 11:41:53 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: Lazamataz

LOL! I am an engineer. No matter who says they “own” it, it is MY PLANT!

Ask any plant engineer. :)


99 posted on 05/16/2012 11:52:23 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Lazamataz

Radio interview about addiction not being a disease

http://podroom.a2zen.fm/podcasts/angela-levesque-health-and-healing/on-health-healing-ted-adamson-on-up-from-down-one-

or

http://tinyurl.com/7nnhol3


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