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Catholic and Baptist leaders react to Obama's gay marriage support
News Channel 9 ^ | May 9, 2012 | NC9

Posted on 05/09/2012 10:33:18 PM PDT by Cronos

Leaders of the nation's two largest religious denominations are expressing distress and sadness at President Barack Obama's newly announced support for gay marriage.

New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, who heads the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, says Obama's remarks "undermine the institution of marriage, the very cornerstone of our society." He adds, "The people of this country, especially our children, deserve better."

The Rev. Bryant Wright, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, predicted that voters will hold Obama accountable for what Wright calls "a calculated, politically expedient decision that completely ignores the biblical foundation of marriage."

But in the ABC interview, Obama linked his decision to his faith in Jesus Christ and the Golden Rule, which he paraphrased as: "Treat others the way you would want to be treated.


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well, at least 'bam drew that line in the sand. Now it's up to us conservatives to pull those sitting on the fence to join us conservatives.
1 posted on 05/09/2012 10:33:21 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Zero is a sodomite-—he loves the practice....so naturally he is for the bath house culture.

He wants to normalize his behavior “for the children”. They need the “normalization” for such dysfunctional, evil lifestyles or else children might reject it. He wants to totally transform the worldview of our children—the next generation—to the pagan/Satanic/Marxist/Masonic worldview of homosexuality which has always used pederasty to conditioned and seduce the boys into the lifestyle and for their Satanic rituals and at the Bohemian Grove.


2 posted on 05/09/2012 10:44:01 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Cronos

So, Malia, when you grow up, are you going to marry a boy or a girl?


3 posted on 05/09/2012 10:57:44 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Tagline For Sale)
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To: Cronos
>"distress and sadness"

The Indonesian is provoking the Wrath of G_d Almighty upon US!

Pray people. It's our only hope.

4 posted on 05/09/2012 11:13:46 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Cronos
But in the ABC interview, Obama linked his decision to his faith in Jesus Christ and the Golden Rule...

Is this the same faith that underlies Obama's support for abortion rights?

5 posted on 05/09/2012 11:17:52 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Cronos

Obama doesn’t support gay marriage. He said so before he realized it was politically inconvenient.


6 posted on 05/09/2012 11:23:23 PM PDT by Méabh
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To: Cronos
Obama linked his decision to his faith in Jesus Christ and the Golden Rule, which he paraphrased as: "Treat others the way you would want to be treated.

If I'm trapped in a life of sin that will separate me from God and send me to an eternity in hell, I sure would like others to warn, cajole, put obstacles in my way ... rather than to say, 'Go for it. I affirm your lifestyle and celebrate your choices...'...
The President opts for the praise of the world, rather than the praise of God.

7 posted on 05/09/2012 11:30:29 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid

You know, that is PRECISELY something that the “Anti-Christ” would say. Quoting Sacred Scripture backwards and forward, but making a mockery of it. And drawing masses of adoring, non-thinking koolaid drinkers.


8 posted on 05/09/2012 11:36:26 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Study closely socialist Hugo Chavez' usage of 'popular masses' in the streets to thwart 1992 coup)
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To: Cronos

So, what’s next?

Legalized ...
Polygamy?
Group marriage?
Incestuous marriage?
Pedophilic marriage?
Bestial marriage?
Necrophilic marriage?

Hey, why not?

If you allow members of the same sex to marry, why not all those others?

They are all identity groups based on what they do to seek orgasms.

What makes one less valid than the other? If one is valid, they all are valid, no?

I mean, give me a really good LOGICAL reason not to allow these things if you’re going to promote same sex marriage?


9 posted on 05/09/2012 11:56:53 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: El Cid

Obama...Try applying that rule to abortion. IDIOT!!


10 posted on 05/09/2012 11:56:58 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Méabh

Apparently, Mahlia and Sasha have friends who have gay parents. THEN THEY AREN’T THEIR PARENTS!!!


11 posted on 05/09/2012 11:58:51 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Méabh

“Obama doesn’t support gay marriage. He said so before he realized it was politically inconvenient.”

I realize this is a question of which time he was lying. But do you really think he opposed homosexual marriage in 2008? I think it was a lie then because he was running as a moderate uniter.


12 posted on 05/10/2012 12:36:32 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Cronos

Since when did “Treat your neighbor as yourself” translate to “let your neighbor do anything his heart desires no matter what, and you can too”?


13 posted on 05/10/2012 12:41:38 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Cronos

I’m neither for nor against gay marriage, and I support the right of consenting adults to do and live as they will, but here’s all I have to say to Barack Hussein Anti-Gay-Before-I-Was-Pro-Gay Obama: YOU CHEAP, SMARMY, BUTT-KISSING, BOOT-LICKING POLITICAL WHORE. How blissful for a panderer-in-cheap to have a base with a memory hole as deep as the core of the Earth.

Everyone knows the easiest, laziest, most brain-dead way to get a free foot massage from the media, entertainment industry and yutes is to give lip service to the gay rights movement. And of course, the legions of idiots are showering him with rose petals and laurels, singing praises for all the “courage” he has shown in agreeing with the cool kids (as always, don’t read the LA Times if you’d like your lunch to stay put), and generously forgetting all the things he said about gay marriage before they became unhip.


14 posted on 05/10/2012 1:20:23 AM PDT by Méabh
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To: Méabh

Oops, I didn’t realize I’d already replied to this thread.


15 posted on 05/10/2012 1:22:20 AM PDT by Méabh
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To: ModelBreaker

As is ever the case with this transparent administration, we may never, ever know the answer.


16 posted on 05/10/2012 1:23:58 AM PDT by Méabh
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To: Westbrook
I mean, give me a really good LOGICAL reason not to allow these things if you’re going to promote same sex marriage?

Here's a logical reason: sticking it to the traditionalists, who happen to make up a large part of the resistance to the socialist overhaul. Staging a fake struggle for "equal rights" (keep repeating that phrase until nobody questions it) to demonize and discredit your opponents in the gullible eyes of the public; casting them as "enemies of progress," the likes of which opposed equality for blacks and women, and who, if not forcefully suppressed, will endanger YOUR rights. Otherwise, as I see it, the only logical stances to take on the legal definition of marriage are to leave it be, preserving its original intent--to define and reinforce family structure as prescribed by nature and ancient tradition--or stop trying to legally define marriage altogether and let individuals, churches and other private entities decide what a legitimate family looks like. I tend to favor the latter. If one man, one woman is the natural and/or divine order of things, it will prevail without artificial measures like legal marriage licenses. But the left isn't interested in the logical means to a free society. They're interested in the logical means to their own dominance.
17 posted on 05/10/2012 2:01:22 AM PDT by Méabh
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To: Cronos
Obama linked his decision to his faith in Jesus Christ and the Golden Rule, which he paraphrased as: "Treat others the way you would want to be treated.

Right. So if I am engaged in dangerous, perverted, body and soul destroying behavior then I WOULD WANT someone to help me STOP.

18 posted on 05/10/2012 2:03:51 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Cronos

Enough is ENOUGH with Obama. He is simply now “one and done.”


19 posted on 05/10/2012 3:27:01 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

...”So, Malia, when you grow up, are you going to marry a boy or a girl?”...

And, Malia is how old? 13? Does anyone remember what the country’s reaction was when Jimmy Carter consulted his young daughter, Amy, on what to do about nuclear weapons or some such serious issue and the country groaned. In the minds of many, the issue of homosexual marriage, long term, is of greater concern to our culture. Greater minds than the undeveloped mind of a child should be consulted on this one.


20 posted on 05/10/2012 4:06:00 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Westbrook

...”So, what’s next?

Legalized ...
Polygamy?
Group marriage?
Incestuous marriage?
Pedophilic marriage?
Bestial marriage?
Necrophilic marriage?”...

All of the above...


21 posted on 05/10/2012 4:08:40 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: rawcatslyentist

I just call him the Moslem....


22 posted on 05/10/2012 4:11:34 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Biggirl

My main concern with the “one and done” idea is that the fix is in through the Spanish vote counters and he is free to say and do whatever he wants.

This announcement, after consultation with his trusted teenage advisor, gains him no votes. He already had the homosexual vote and this might move some of the supposed conservative dim voters away.


23 posted on 05/10/2012 4:26:52 AM PDT by Josa
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To: Méabh
I'm utterly against gay "marriage". From a religious point of view this is not a marriage as marriage is divine union of God with woman and man. From a sociological stand point, it is also not a marriage which is a fixed union for procreation and for raising of children.

If gay folks want to have a government civil union, so bet it. But "marriage", no.

24 posted on 05/10/2012 4:33:36 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Josa

I beg to differ, with Obama coming out yesterday in support of gay marriage, he pretty much has drven away any last conservative Dems away.

This article will be of interest to you. By Michelle Malkin, which came out this week:

http://michellemalkin.com/2012/05/09/scytl-voter-fraud-facts-and-fiction/


25 posted on 05/10/2012 4:43:39 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Josa

I stand by my “one and done” position.


26 posted on 05/10/2012 4:44:43 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

I sincerely hope this was the nail in the coffin for him.


27 posted on 05/10/2012 4:53:53 AM PDT by Josa
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To: F15Eagle; .45 Long Colt; Buddygirl; Former Fetus; Bockscar; Graybeard58; JLLH; Outlaw Woman; ...

Baptist ping


28 posted on 05/10/2012 5:04:26 AM PDT by WKB (There are too many coincidences in this world...... for this world to be a coincidence.)
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To: savagesusie

Thanks for the mention of the Bohemian Grove. Never heard of it before. Is it now a haven for homosexuals?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove


29 posted on 05/10/2012 5:39:18 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: WKB
Thanks for the ping.

But in the ABC interview, Obama linked his decision to his faith in Jesus Christ and the Golden Rule...

Linking the name of our Savior to sinful behavior is blasphemy, the only unpardonable sin.

30 posted on 05/10/2012 6:05:19 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, I'll rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: WKB; F15Eagle; .45 Long Colt; Buddygirl; Former Fetus; Bockscar; Graybeard58; JLLH; Outlaw Woman; ..
FWIW, I wouldn't get to excited about the RC's getting on board in the fight against the homosexual agenda. The last polling I saw has them split 50-50 between Pubs and Rats. Remember this follows the assault on birth control and abortificents. If they won't come over in big numbers after that it's unlikely they will do much about this.

Born Again Evangelical Christians will have to do the heavy lifting to save our country and culture.

31 posted on 05/10/2012 7:46:29 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: WKB; F15Eagle; .45 Long Colt; Buddygirl; Former Fetus; Bockscar; Graybeard58; JLLH; Outlaw Woman; ..
FWIW, I wouldn't get to excited about the RC's getting on board in the fight against the homosexual agenda. The last polling I saw has them split 50-50 between Pubs and Rats. Remember this follows the assault on birth control and abortificents. If they won't come over in big numbers after that it's unlikely they will do much about this.

Born Again Evangelical Christians will have to do the heavy lifting to save our country and culture.

32 posted on 05/10/2012 7:48:42 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: Méabh

> let individuals, churches and other private entities
> decide what a legitimate family looks like. I tend to
> favor the latter.

The problem with this is that the meddling busybodies will use government to force those who do NOT recognize such unions as legitimate, to do so.

If you’re an insurance company, you will be forced to insure behaviors with known health issues without being allowed to charge more for such policyholders.

If you are a church or parochial school, you will be forced to refrain from teaching that such behaviors are sin.

If you own an apartment building, you will be forced to rent to such couples or groups even if it offends you or the rest of your tenants.

Allowing such “marriages” does NOT create a freer society. On the contrary, it limits even more of your freedoms. The freedom of association. The freedom to hire and fire, buy or sell, based on your character judgements.

And, of course, your freedom of speech will be greatly compromised. If you see a couple or group expressing sexual intimacy in public, and you express any displeasure with it, you will be cited as a criminal.


33 posted on 05/10/2012 8:03:54 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Westbrook

It’s all about selfishness and self-fulfillment — not about Christ.

Maybe he doesn’t know the Bible too well and is not familiar with the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah for this reason!


34 posted on 05/10/2012 8:16:09 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Graybeard58

The one and only unpardonable sin is a sin against the Holy Spirit.


35 posted on 05/10/2012 8:18:02 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Cronos

I may be wrong in doing this, but Obama’s using Jesus to justify homosexual marriage has gone too far. Right or wrong, I’m going to start praying daily that God will bring down Obama - one way or the other. I believe Obama is like Pharaoh - his heart has been hardened for destruction.


36 posted on 05/10/2012 8:24:26 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: Salvation
Here is the definition of marriage according to Jesus Christ. Apparently, Barry Hussein the genius missed it.

From Matthew 19:4-6

Not being a genius like Barry, I see "male and female" in the definition of "husband and wife".

Then there's this from the Apostle Paul in Romans chapter 1 verses 23 to 31.

Not a lot of wiggle room there.

37 posted on 05/10/2012 8:36:51 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Agreed - he’s twisting it far beyond the norm

He twists it to further such an agenda

Same type of bizarro world that Jeremiah Wright used to honor Calypso Louie as if it were proper within church doctrine.


38 posted on 05/10/2012 9:43:10 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: wmfights

Depends on what types, the more traditional minded Catholics will be there with the Evangelicals to also do the heavy lifting. The other types are CINOS, whom you do need to worry.


39 posted on 05/10/2012 10:33:45 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
...the more traditional minded Catholics will be there with the Evangelicals to also do the heavy lifting. The other types are CINOS, whom you do need to worry.

The other types represent a majority of your church. Your church makes noise, but it's members don't walk the faith they claim. Obama is not an idiot. He knows the only ones he won't get because of his positions on contraception, abortificents and now homosexual marriage are Born Again Christians. He never had anything close to a majority of our votes from the get go, so he hasn't lost anything.

Look at the states that have some form of legalized homosexual unions they are on the west coast, northeast, and some in the midwest. Most of these states have large RC populations. They are definitely not majority Born Again Christian areas.

40 posted on 05/10/2012 10:43:56 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights

The south is also where my church has gotten new converts who appriciate the faith and are much more traditional.

Yes the areas in question there are more CINOS.

Overall, this is a distraction to cover-up the real issue, that Obama has a recoard that WILL defeat him, the economy.


41 posted on 05/10/2012 12:24:26 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Salvation
The one and only unpardonable sin is a sin against the Holy Spirit.

My bible reads "blasphemy" of the Holy Spirit. I think we are on the same page.

Obama saying, he is led by Jesus to sin is a very dangerous position for him to be in.

The sad part is, it's doubtful that he has ever heard of such a thing. That doesn't excuse him because it's readily available to anyone who seeks the truth. Bibles are inexpensive, no matter the version, sometimes they are even free to anyone who wants one. My church gives one to every new visitor.

Obama probably even has a bible laying around somewhere, he needs to crack it open once in a while, even his feeble brain might pick up a grain of truth.

42 posted on 05/10/2012 2:00:17 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, I'll rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Let us join in that prayer..


43 posted on 05/10/2012 8:20:19 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: wmfights; WKB

“The last polling I saw has them split 50-50 between Pubs and Rats.”

Catholics traditionally totally support dems in much larger numbers that that, so those numbers are very encouraging.

The Bishops are in war room mode, so don’t discount that fact.

“Born Again Evangelical Christians will have to do the heavy lifting to save our country and culture.”

I hope we do, and believe the Catholics will have our backs.

Thank you so much for the ping, WKB.


44 posted on 05/10/2012 11:55:43 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: Graybeard58; WKB

“Linking the name of our Savior to sinful behavior is blasphemy, the only unpardonable sin.”

If you are truly a Southern Baptist, as you’ve claimed before, you would know that the only unpardonable sin is to deny Christ as the Son of God, the Father.


45 posted on 05/11/2012 12:04:33 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: Graybeard58; Salvation

“The one and only unpardonable sin is a sin against the Holy Spirit.”

~ Salvation

“My bible reads “blasphemy” of the Holy Spirit. I think we are on the same page.”

Graybeard, your “bible” is wrong. While blasphemy is a sin, it’s not unpardonable.

Please tell me what “bible” you are reading.

Salvation is Catholic, I am Southern Baptist.

She and I are on the same page.


46 posted on 05/11/2012 12:10:59 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: ModelBreaker
I realize this is a question of which time he was lying. But do you really think he opposed homosexual marriage in 2008? I think it was a lie then because he was running as a moderate uniter.

Obama supports whatever gains him ground, he has narcissistic personality disorder.

Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder in which the individual is described as being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity. This condition affects one percent of the population. First formulated in 1968, it was historically called megalomania, and it is closely linked to egocentrism.

Symptoms of this disorder include, but are not limited to:

Reacts to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation
May take advantage of others to reach their own goal
Tends to exaggerate their own importance, achievements, and talents
Imagines unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power, intelligence, or romance
Requires constant attention and positive reinforcement from others
Easily becomes jealous
Lacks empathy and disregards the feelings of others
Obsessed with oneself
Mainly pursues selfish goals
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Is easily hurt and rejected
Sets unrealistic goals
Wants "the best" of everything
Appears as tough-minded or unemotional

47 posted on 05/11/2012 1:06:48 AM PDT by this_ol_patriot (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner)
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To: dixiechick2000; Salvation

Matthew 12:31 - K.J.V.

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

The bible says Holy Ghost, I said Holy Spirit.

Was all of this really neccessary?

“Graybeard, your “bible” is wrong. While blasphemy is a sin, it’s not unpardonable”.

“Please tell me what “bible” you are reading”.

“Salvation is Catholic, I am Southern Baptist”.

“She and I are on the same page”.

“If you are truly a Southern Baptist, as you’ve claimed before, you would know that the only unpardonable sin is to deny Christ as the Son of God, the Father”.

That is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

I know you don’t care for me and that’s you prerogative but please try to tone down the animosity. I’m praying that God will bless you and your family as much as He has blessed me and mine.

I won’t be argumentative today of all days. My wife and I and the two children we have had for 4 years have a court appointment today at 1:00 P.M., at the Tazewell County court house in Pekin, Illinois, for what is supposed to be our final adoption hearing. The kids are Amber 13 and her brother Nick age 12. If you can find it in your heart, please pray for us that all goes well.

I’ll be writing a vanity tonight (with pictures of the kids) as long as it’s final today. I would love to add you both to my “to ping” list, with your permission of course.


48 posted on 05/11/2012 6:26:29 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, I'll rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: dixiechick2000

By the way, I did say, “blasphemy of the Holy Spirit”. Should have been blasphemy “against” the Holy Ghost.

The utter denial of Jesus as Savior.


49 posted on 05/11/2012 6:30:00 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, I'll rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: dixiechick2000

I love it when this happens.


50 posted on 05/11/2012 7:54:05 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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