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To: daniel1212
Officially evangelical type churches are not considered ‘churches’ in the proper sense,” Dominus Iesus, 2000), though they are considered separated brethren as long as they baptized and are ignorant that Rome is the one true church, which she declares she is, but which requires submission to her to be assured of [salvation].

This is exactly why the Catholic church is wrong on all doctrine in the Bible regarding Grace Salvation and In Christ Truths:

Characteristics of a cult:

1) They claim to be the **true** church. Dominus Iesus, 2000: they are considered separated brethren as long as they baptized and are ignorant that Rome is the one true church

2) If a person leaves the **true** church they risk eternal damnation in hell. requires submission to her to be assured of [salvation]

3) They have an anointed hierarchy. a Pope, which is forbidden by Matthew 23:9 and Exodus 20

4) This hierarchy regardless of how corrupt is impervious to reform by action of the common laity.

5) Salvation is through the ministration of the **true** sacraments by their **true** priesthood. Of course if a member leaves the true sacraments and true priesthood he is in danger of eternal damnation. Christ alone is our High Priest - Hebrews 7:22-25

164 posted on 11/28/2010 9:40:05 PM PST by bibletruth
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To: bibletruth

What i meant by “requires submission to her to be assured of” was not salvation, concerning which Rome teaches that works done by grace are meritorious for salvation (Trent), but that of assurance that Rome is what she claims to be, as only by faith in Rome’s formulaic assured infallibility can man have doctrinal assurance. Fallible human reasoning can be appealed to, but once one becomes a a Catholic it is taught that he is not to question Rome’s infallible teachings (though it is not known what all may be included as such) or search the Scriptures to determines their validity.

As concerns cults, #4 is foundational, as a typical mark of such is that of effectively making a man or an office the supreme doctrinal authority on earth, rather than the Scriptures, which is the only objective source which we are assured are wholly inspired of God, (2Tim. 3:16) and thus assuredly infallible. And this is not restricted to Rome, or Mormonism, etc, but churches who censure those who dare sincerely question doctrines and practices which are allow for some degree of debate.

Those who hold to the supremacy of Scripture cannot hold that they are infallible, but are bound to substantiate their case by the Scriptures, and the manner of doctrinal exegesis it overall manifests. And thus we agree with Rome on certain core essentials, such as is written in the Nicene Creed, while being in opposition to those which fail of Scriptural warrant, and are contrary to it.

In addition, the authenticity of true men and churches of God is not based upon self-declaration and or formal lineage, but is established by holiness, doctrine and the power of God which conforms to that which is written, which Scriptures themselves become established as being such due to their heavenly qualities. Good night.


166 posted on 11/28/2010 10:24:11 PM PST by daniel1212 ( ("Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19))
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To: bibletruth

3) They have an anointed hierarchy. a Pope, which is forbidden by Matthew 23:9 and Exodus 20


Amen to that.


182 posted on 11/29/2010 6:18:02 AM PST by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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To: bibletruth
Well, thanks for the morning exercise. I'm fascinated by people who tell me what I think and believe. It has been interesting, especially the way as the weakness of the original post became increasingly apparent, so did the assault on Catholicism.

I have been doing biblical exegesis for 30 years - so shut up. You are in error.

Who can argue with 'reasoning' like this?

the only pride going on here is men on this page who trust scholars words above God’s Word...

30 years of study makes you a scholar. So in an effort to avoid pride, I will not trust your words.

On the contrary, I am saved by the blood of Jesus Christ and my eternal salvation has been accomplished by the cross of Christ dying for my sins; which are COMPLETELY FORGIVEN. Upon my last day on earth (death), I will be directly transferred into the presence of Christ. My salvation is assured by the Holy Spirit in Romans. My relationship with God is In Christ; that is: God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit are in my soul as is clearly explained in Romans through Philemon.

Well, glory to God! That however has nothing to do with the reliability of your exegesis.

You have correctly identified the Catholic church and Pope in their pride and self exaltment!

I think the word you're looking for is "exaltation." I wondered when and how the thread would reveal the anti-Catholicism.

Those books are NON-Biblical and NOT from GOD!

In what part of the Bible is the biblical canon set forth?

195 posted on 11/29/2010 7:48:28 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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