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Pope's Visit to the UK: He Came, He Saw, He Conquered Hearts. Now the Work Begins
Catholic Online ^ | 9/21/10 | Deacon Keith Fournier

Posted on 09/21/2010 4:40:23 AM PDT by tcg

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To: TSgt

INDEED.


81 posted on 09/22/2010 5:33:53 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: fatboy

INDEED.


82 posted on 09/22/2010 5:34:32 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Quix
Maranatha, Jesus!!!
83 posted on 09/22/2010 6:25:59 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: TSgt
That’s why one’s works will never get them to heaven. There is none righteous no not one.

Must be nice to know that you can live just like the unbelievers but you're going to be rewarded with paradise while they get fried.

That's what I call great theology.

Almost in the "72 virgins........." category.

84 posted on 09/22/2010 6:34:31 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
Must be nice to know that you can live just like the unbelievers but you're going to be rewarded with paradise while they get fried.

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. - 2 Corinthians 5:17

Salvation is not a license to sin and is followed by a change in one's life. This DOES NOT mean we no longer sin. If there isn't a change then very likely someone never truly accepted Christ.
85 posted on 09/22/2010 6:39:55 AM PDT by TSgt (And the war came.)
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To: TSgt
Very good. A rare sign of sanity.

So can we take the next step and say that our lives (i.e. our works) give witness to our faith? ("By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" Matt. 7:20)

86 posted on 09/22/2010 6:53:17 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
So can we take the next step and say that our lives (i.e. our works) give witness to our faith? ("By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" Matt. 7:20)

Of course however works ≠ salvation. They are just an indicator of the internal change that comes from salvation. Christians still stumble.
87 posted on 09/22/2010 7:00:38 AM PDT by TSgt (And the war came.)
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To: fatboy

Only if I can have you as my able assistant. I’ll even let you use the bunsen burners.


88 posted on 09/22/2010 8:01:08 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance

lastchance, That would depend on how much asprin (or ear plugs) I can get my hands on.


89 posted on 09/22/2010 9:24:22 AM PDT by fatboy
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To: Cronos
Cronos said: Christ did say that the world would hate His people, His Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church. And, the more we get haters here, the more it seems apparent. Thank you!

The flaw in your arguement is that being critical of the dogmas and decrees of the Roman Catholic Church is not the same as hating any person. The RCC is an institution, a flawed one at that. Jesus said that there would be people that would hate Him. Anything more than that is open to subjective interpretation. If that were not the case, everyone who ever thinks even a bad thought about the RCC would be doomed.

Why is it that catholics want unity with people who they constantly say hate them soo much? Why do catholics act like the protestants are wrecking their party? Seems like more concern for protestants than those who totally reject God in any of it's various forms.

90 posted on 09/22/2010 9:39:26 AM PDT by fatboy
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To: TSgt

**One will never stop sinning until they get to heaven and become perfect.**

Error alert! One must be perfect to even ENTER into heaven!

No further sin is committed at the moment of death. At that time there is a judgement (particular). The person’s soul (and body) may be sent to three places.

1. Without any sin on their soul — directly to heaven
2. For most people — to Purgatory so that their souls can be purified before entering heaven
3. And for some people — striahgt to hell because they have denied the precepts of God and the Church

I’m sorry you think you can go through life all by yourself without prayers and support from others. We are all weak in our own way — prideful in others.....and we all need prayers.


91 posted on 09/22/2010 10:01:39 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: fatboy
The flaw in your arguement is that being critical of the dogmas and decrees of the Roman Catholic Church is not the same as hating any person.

In principle that is not only correct but clear. In practice however, there is something else going on.

What stuns me is the repeated assertion of things about Catholicism that are simply not true. When one points out the error the level of hostility exhibited in the responses indicates that the truth of the matter has little to nothing to do with the disagreement.

So anyone asserting that there is not hostility toward Catholics has the burden of explaining the persistence in falsehood by those who purport to be attacking only the organization or the doctrine.

If someone persists in characterizing the Pope as 'the Nazi Pope,' or in characterizing the doctrine of transubstantiation as alchemy, even after lengthy attempts to explain, not only does such a person display ignorance both of alchemy and of transubstantiation but hostility toward persons.

If the magisterium is frequently referred to as the "magicsterium", can this be explained by anything other than personal hostility?

There is a kind of anti-Catholic cognitive dissonance about Catholicism. Here's an example: My late godmother was a graduate of Oxford and an involved member of the C of E. yet when I became a Catholic she characterized the Catholic Church as superstitious.

Cardinal Newman was at Oxford. Anglicans sing hymns he wrote and read his books. Who ever thought of Newman as superstitious? But somehow my 'Aunt Dora' was able to forget or dismiss what she knew about Newman in her expression of revulsion at Catholicism

Why is it that catholics want unity with people who they constantly say hate them soo much?

Is this a serious question? The Church has always evangelized her enemies. It's our job, our privilege, our call.

Why after saying that the criticisms are not personal do you ask questions not about Catholicism but about Catholics?

92 posted on 09/22/2010 10:31:22 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: fatboy

If you are not able to get enough aspirin maybe you could add another NSAID to your medicine chest. Earplugs might be a better idea since I think you could argue they are required under OSHA when working in the presence of loud noises. If you hold the cat still I’ll step on its tail.


93 posted on 09/22/2010 10:41:26 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance

lastchance, you can do better than that.

On second thought, maybe you can’t.


94 posted on 09/22/2010 12:42:50 PM PDT by fatboy
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To: fatboy

I concede to your superior parry.


95 posted on 09/22/2010 3:03:09 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: TSgt

However, the cult of your group of ten doesn’t even gather in the Name of God — if there is no Trinitarian belief, then your group is properly spoken of as Unitarian or some other cult.


96 posted on 09/22/2010 11:36:01 PM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: TSgt; marshmallow

“vation isn’t determined by religion.” So then, why do you come on a thread talking about how the Pope has brought Christ into the forefront in godless Britain? Or do you not want Britain to become Christian again? Why persist on attacking Christ’s Church in each thread if you don’t care which religion as long as we worship Christ?


97 posted on 09/22/2010 11:37:53 PM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: Quix
"God’s Holy Spirit will ‘revive’ and glean again those with a heart after God in any significant degree from Europe"

True

Europe WILL be re-Christianized by the Holy Spirit, working through missionaries, just as Asia, America and Africa were Christianized or indeed, just as Europe itself was initially Christianized.
98 posted on 09/22/2010 11:39:33 PM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: Quix

Ah, now you’re talking about the elect crowd who wish to sin more so they can get more forgiveness as they are predestined to heaven. This is strangely the root of those who make siren calls to the shallow joys of sin (the pinko mafia)


99 posted on 09/22/2010 11:41:01 PM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: TSgt; marshmallow
Christ provided us the Salvation -- that is Church teaching.

Many non-Catholics in America misunderstand the Catholic doctrine of salvation. They think that the Church teaches salvation by works as if Catholics were trying to earn their way to heaven. The Church does not teach salvation by our own good work

The Church teaches salvation by grace coming from God through faith in Christ.

Church belief is that salvation is a process through which we come closer to God throughout our whole life as we participate in the sacraments and the grace that comes through them.

Man God plays the primary and important role.
God the Father planned our salvation, not man.
God the Son gained our salvation by his death and resurrection; no one else did these things.
God the Holy Spirit infused the very love of God into our hearts by his presence (Rom. 5:5).


We MUST co-operate with(i.e. accept) God’s grace to find eternal happiness with God. It is not that we can save ourselves in any way.

Only God can save us

This is Church belief

All that we do is respond with faith and obedience to God’s offer of grace in Christ. God’s grace grows within us as we trust in God more and follow his commandments.
Philippians 2:12-18
12Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,
13for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
14Do everything without complaining or arguing,
15so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe
16as you hold out[a] the word of life—in order that I may boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor for nothing.
17But even if I am being poured out like a drink offering on the sacrifice and service coming from your faith, I am glad and rejoice with all of you.
18So you too should be glad and rejoice with me.


Hebrews 12:14

14Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

1 John 5:5

1Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.

1 John 5:18

18We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him

100 posted on 09/22/2010 11:59:23 PM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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