Posted on 09/05/2010 6:42:11 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.(Romans 4:9-12)
Was Abraham blessed by God because he was circumcised,and kept God’s statutes and commands? Was that how Abraham was so blessed? Or was it the other way around? That is, that Abraham believed in the gospel, was justified, and as an outcome of that justification, he was circumcised and conformed to God’s will.
Our text tells us that it is the second option. As a sinner , Abraham believed God, and was justified before God. All of Abraham’s good works came as a result of his justification, and outflow of being made the friend of God.
It was while Abraham was uncircumcised, that God reckoned righteousness unto him. All Abraham could say of himself was, that as an idolator , he met the LORD, who told him the good news of the one who would come through his loins, to bless every family on earth. He simply believed God.
Abraham was justified by God before any of his children were born. But he was not circumcised until his son Ishmael was 13 years old. He was justified well before he rendered any ‘works’ unto God. Saving faith in God’s promise is the cause and not the effect of all good works.
Why does it matter which came first, Abraham’s faith or his works? it matters because it is deeply ingrained in the human heart to want to earn God’s blessings, to put God in debt to ourselves. This is almost the default position of humanity, to try to earn our own way, to obligate God to ourselves by our own works. It is humbling to have to be rescued by a free gift.
It is critical to understand once and for all that God cannot and will not be indebted to any man. The only way to be saved is to humbly accept by faith the gift of God’s righteousness, and that it would be impossible to earn it.
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. (Romans 11:34-36)
The difference between Salvation by God’s grace and a religion that seeks to earn life by works, or obligate God, is the difference between Life and death, pride and humility, true spirituality and humanism, and even ultimately it will be the difference between heaven and hell.
Abraham was not justified by being circumcised , his circumcision came more that thirteen years after his justification. The circumcision was a seal, an evidence of his God given righteousness, it was an effect and not a cause. Abraham the idolator was justified and included in God’s purposes only by the free love and choice of the Holy God.
He is called the Father of all who believe because in Abraham, God took an idolator,revealed Himself to Him, preached the gospel to him, gave him faith to believe, justified him, and made him the Father of true faith for all time. That is the story of my life and countless millions of others also.
Though I am not physically a child of Abraham, my encounter with God as a sinner, who simply believed the gospel when it came to me, who was willing as a result of this faith, to “leave my Father’s land and kindred”(morally and spiritually) puts me in spiritual affinity with Abraham.
This is the teaching of Jesus, to the physical seed of Abraham, that it is spiritual affinity with Abraham that counts with God, not physical blood relation alone,
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham…Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.(John 8:39-40,56)
Therefore Abraham is ever the type , not only of the true Hebrew, (literally means One who crosses over”), but of all believing gentiles. The common thread is faith in the gospel of God. Abraham believed in Jesus, he believed in the gospel, and was justified by God.
**You will see that it refers to King Hezekiah**
So Isaiah 9:6 has Hezekiah being referred to as ..’The mighty God’, The everlasting Father,.. (seems accurate when compared to my Hebrew dictionary). Looked your site and consider ‘has been born’ to not make any difference, since with God his plan for the furure is as good as done.
Then Hezekiah made Isaiah a liar in the next verse, where there was to be no end to his government. First, the king shows off the riches in his dominion to potential enemies. Then his son, and his grandsons lose it the government completely, becoming puppets of the conquerers, until the mooslims completely drive them out centuries later.
Now really! That can’t be Hezekiah or anybody else that is subject to the sinful nature of fallen man. It can only be Messiah.
Those prophets move in and out of prophesy and the present tense all through their books.
The wife kept me out late, only gonna get about 5 hrs sleep. I’ll be back tomorrow eve. Good nite!
You have to read the whole thing. It is much more than "has been born vs is born". Also, if you read chapter 9 and 10, they use very similar language in talking about G-ds intervention on behalf of Hezekiah.
Then Hezekiah made Isaiah a liar in the next verse, where there was to be no end to his government. First, the king shows off the riches in his dominion to potential enemies. Then his son, and his grandsons lose it the government completely, becoming puppets of the conquerers, until the mooslims completely drive them out centuries later.
Not at all. His government, the throne of David is forever. Even Christians acknowlege that as they falsely claim Jesus in that role. Even though his direct decendents blew it and the Jewish people went into exile, that was prophesied and by no means meant the end of the Davidic line. The Jewish Messiah will be of the tribe of Judah, through Solomon to David. Something Jesus was not.
Also, Jesus was not the Everlasting Father. He is considered the Son, so that doesnt fit. The government never rested on his shoulders, so that doesnt fit, nor was he ever annointed per the Torahs instructions, so he wasnt a messiah (annointed one), He wasnt the Prince of Peace, since there has never been peace since he was here and Jesus himself said he did not come to bring peace but a sword. He wasnt a Mighty God, he died after a mere 3 years of ministry with the Roman empire still firmly in control. Nor was he a wonderful councelor, the disciples were always confused about his mission right up to the end. So on every count, Jesus failed.
Here is another view of Isaiah 9: Isaiah 9
So little time right now; corn and soybean harvest is now up to full speed. But, I like discussing this topic; so, little by little I’ll comment and ask some questions.
First, maybe you can point out where to see a list of the kings over the last 2,000+ yrs.
**..his direct decendents blew it..**
Well, with the exception of great grandson Josiah, that is true.
**Here is another view of Isaiah 9:**
I read it, and see a man’s feeble effort/interpretation to say it does not apply to the Messiah (regardless whether one believes the Messiah to be Jesus or not).
**..Jesus was not the Everlasting Father. He is considered the Son,..**
The Apostolic Pentecostal believes that the ‘Son’ is flesh, complete with a soul, and the ‘Father’ is Spirit, and that the Spirit in him is the power that performed all the miracles.
I’ll have more questions and comments when time permits.
regards,
Z
It is supposed to go down that way. Per the prophet Hosea:
4For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:
5Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.
All the more amazing, that the State of Israel was reborn after 2000 years and the world will be SHOCKED again when the Mashiach arrives, rebuilds the Temple, Sacrfices are returned and the Priesthood reinstalled! etc.
And it has been 2000 years since the man from Nazareth was last seen....so I guess we can have a friendly wager on when Mashiach arrives, just who will it be?
I read it, and see a man’s feeble effort/interpretation to say it does not apply to the Messiah (regardless whether one believes the Messiah to be Jesus or not).
Nahh....Isaiah 9 is just like Isaiah 7, events that pertain to the time they were written. Isaiah 7 for example is not about a virgin birth, it was about a sign for King Ahaz.
The seventh chapter in the Book of Isaiah begins by describing the military crisis that was confronting King Ahaz of the Kingdom of Judah. Around the year 732 B.C.E., the House of David was facing imminent destruction at the hands of two warring kingdoms: the Northern Kingdom of Israel, led by King Peqah, and the Kingdom of Syria (Aram), led by King Retsin. These two armies had besieged Jerusalem. Isaiah records that the House of David and King Ahaz were gripped with fear. G-d sent the prophet Isaiah to reassure King Ahaz that divine protection was at hand – G-d would protect him and his kingdom and that their deliverance was assured, and these two hostile armies would fail in their attempt to subjugate Jerusalem.
It is clear from the narrative in this chapter, that Isaiah’s declaration (Is 7:14-16) was a prophecy about the unsuccessful siege of Jerusalem by the two armies from the north. The verses Isaiah 7:15-16 state that, by the time this child (whose imminent birth was foretold in Isaiah 7:14) reaches the age of maturity (“… he knows to reject bad and choose good …”), the kings of the two enemy nations will be gone, in fact, they will be killed. Two Biblical passages, 2 Kings 15:29-30 and 2 Kings 16:9, confirm that this prophecy was contemporaneously fulfilled when these two kings were assassinated. With an understanding of the context of Isaiah 7:14 alone, it is evident that the name of the child in Isaiah 7:14, Immanu'el, is a sign which points to the divine protection that King Ahaz and his people would enjoy from their otherwise certain demise at the hands of these two enemies. Clearly, Isaiah 7:14 is a near-term prophecy that is part of an historic narrative, and which was fulfilled in the immediate time frame, not some seven-and-a-half centuries in the future.[messiah truth]
Just like Isaiah 9, which is also a contemperaneous event.
In case you didnt read this: The ninth chapter in the Book of Isaiah deals with the crisis that existed in the Kingdom of Judah during a time when the Assyrian king Sannheriv wanted to destroy it. Isaiah responds to the messenger sent by Hezekiah with a message in which he reaffirms the promise that G-d made to David, namely, that the kingdom would be preserved (see 2 Sam 7:12-16). The army of Sannheriv, the king who previously exiled the tribes of the Northern Kingdom of Israel, lays siege to Jerusalem seeking to capture and exile the people of the Kingdom of Judah. The nation turned to G-d and obeyed Hezekiah's order not to respond and, as noted (see 2 Chron 32:21, above), a miracle occurred. An angel came and slaughtered the Assyrian army, and the king, Sannheriv, was assassinated by members of his own family upon his return in defeat. Thus, the Jewish nation that was on the brink of destruction, standing in the shadow of death, suddenly and miraculously was redeemed, and it stood in a great light.
The tenth chapter in the Book of Isaiah provides the epilogue to the events described in Chapter 9. In these two chapters, the Prophet recounts how G-d saved King Hezekiah and his Kingdom of Judah from Sannheriv’s massive military attack. Prior to the siege on Jerusalem, the Assyrian army successfully captured and exiled most of the population of the Northern Kingdom of Israel. Now Assyria was poised to exile the people of the Kingdom of Judah, the helpless remnant of the Jewish people who so desperately needed divine intervention. By way of leading into a description of the events that lifted a nation from a state of despair to the ecstasy of a miraculous redemption; Isaiah opens up his ninth chapter with the following declaration:
Isaiah 9:1 - The people who walked in darkness, have seen a great light; those who dwell in the land of the shadow of death, light shone upon them.
When certain passages in Chapter 10 are superimposed on some passages in Chapter 9, it becomes even more evident that the passage Isaiah 9 5-6/[6-7] relates directly to G-d saving Hezekiah and his people from Sannheriv in the eighth century B.C.E.
Several additional explicit connections between Hezekiah and Isaiah 9:5-6[6-7] are found in the Hebrew Bible. The following passage connects Hezekiah with peace:
2 Kings 20:19 - Then said Hezekiah to Isaiah, "Good is the Word of the L-rd which you have spoken." And he said [to himself], "Is it not so, if there will be peace and truth in my days?"
Isaiah 10:21-22 – (21) The remnant shall return, the remnant of Jacob [Israel], to the Mighty G-d [or, mighty hero] [ (el gibbor)]. (22) For if your people Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, a remnant [of them] shall return; the decreed destruction shall wash away with righteousness.
With Isaiah 10:21-22 in mind, 2nd Chronicles, Chapter 30, describes how a remnant from that which was the Northern Kingdom of Israel had returned to Jerusalem during the reign of King Hezekiah to celebrate the Passover. The Northern Kingdom of Israel, which was devastated by the Assyrians in the days of King Ahaz, fell into the hands of Hezekiah as Assyria weakened. For the first time since the days of King Solomon, the national unity was reestablished, and Hezekiah was the first monarch on the throne of David who ruled over a "united" people, at least for the duration of his kingdom (hence Isaiah's explanation of the long name, "for the increase of the authority").
Finally, as another connection between Hezekiah and Isaiah 9:5-6[6-7], there is the expression, "the zeal of the L-rd of Hosts shall accomplish this.", which occurs in only two other places in the Hebrew Bible – at 2 Kings 19:31 and Isaiah 37:32. These two passages, which are almost identical, describe the downfall of the Assyrian king Sannheriv and the miraculous victory of Hezekiah.[messiah truth]
You say the passages in Is.7+9 are contemporaneous.....hmm
**When certain passages in Chapter 10 are superimposed on some passages in Chapter 9, it becomes even more evident that the passage Isaiah 9 5-6/[6-7] relates directly to G-d saving Hezekiah and his people from Sannheriv in the eighth century B.C.E.**
The INCREASE of his government(authority) and peace.....from HENCEFORTH(NOW) even for ever(to eternity).
Increase? Starting right then? Hello?
I tell you plainly that after Hezekiah, with the exception of Josiah, it’s been all down hill for the kings on David’s throne. Yes, Israel as a nation has reemerged, and who will be the Messiah is ‘still up in the air’ (pun...heh, heh) in your opinion and those like minded.
Isaiah 7:14-16 is prophecy. Here is why I believe that:
First the ‘virgin’ is the same hebrew word used in the account of Rebekah being found to be Isaac’s wife.
A virgin is not a virgin when conception takes place. Granted, we might not be talking of much more than a couple of minutes, from losing virginity to conception, in some cases.
In verse 16 ‘the land’(singular) that thou abhorrest’ is the land that God gave to the 12 tribes of Israel, ‘forsaken of both her kings’ refers to the kings of Israel and Judah. Then, verses 17-25 pronounce the decline in to servitude and poverty. The people, as a whole, proved that they abhorrest the land that God to gave them by their very actions/sins; changing it to a land of idol worship. (Not so different from the immoral behavior of the people here in the USA; hating the country as it was set up under the Constitution, and wanting it altogether different.)
I really have to marvel at the Judaism interpreters’ views of Isaiah 53, as well as Psalm 22.
For the sake of curiosity, I will also look at what they say about Zech. 12:10; 13:6,7; Isaiah 50:6; 52:14; Micah 5:1,2; and others I have yet to bring to my attention.
I have stayed in the Old Testament for all of this, but will alude to the NT in closing this particular reply:
Concerning the rules regarding the sacrifices; Jesus wasn’t fulfilling only the Passover sacrifice, but all the sacrifices. His was a composite of them all. He had to be.
His second coming is to bring peace. Unfortunately, to accomplish that there will be great loss of life by a majority that cling to their sinful lifestyles.
Jesus disciples were just like David, full of courage one moment, then fearful the next (remember David fleeing from Saul, to live with the Phillistines?). But those same diciples were given the promise of the Spirit prophesied by Joel; then they boldly preached in spite of lashings and imprisonment.
Yes. Hezekiah was a very righteous King. Have you not studied him?
2Kings18: 5 Hezekiah trusted in the LORD, the God of Israel. There was no one like him among all the kings of Judah, either before him or after him. 6 He held fast to the LORD and did not cease to follow him; he kept the commands the LORD had given Moses. 7 And the LORD was with him; he was successful in whatever he undertook.
That is very high praise. So, yes there was a big increase in his government as Hezekiah restored the people back to Torah Judaism. Yes, his decedents blew it but the lineage to David through Solomon is in tact. And the David line is forever. (side note: Jesus's genealogy is fatally flawed in both Matts and Lukes accounts, Matt has him decended through cursed king Jeconiah, which is impossible and Luke has him decended through Nathan to David, it has to be Solomon to David.)
Isaiah 7:14-16 is prophecy. Here is why I believe that: First the ‘virgin’ is the same hebrew word used in the account of Rebekah being found to be Isaac’s wife.
No that is not the case. The word in Hebrew in Isaiah 7 is Haalmah, the young woman. Gen 24:16 shows Rebekah as a virgin: 16 And the damsel was very fair to look upon, a virgin, neither had any man known her; and she went down to the fountain, and filled her pitcher, and came up. But that verse uses the proper word for virgin, Betulah.בְּתוּלָה
Also, if you insist on Isaiah 7 meaning a virgin birth, then that means there were two virgin births and Jesus was not unique.
I really have to marvel at the Judaism interpreters’ views of Isaiah 53, as well as Psalm 22.
Why? Both Is 53 and Ps 22 are badly mistranslated and taken out of context by the church. In Is 53 the "servant" is identified numerous times by Isaiah as the Jewish people, the nation of Israel. Isaiah is constantly switching from the singular to the plural, at times he uses both! Isaiah 43:10
"You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.
And notice there is no revelation of a god-man son. Only One G-d.
Listen to this audio, it explains Is 53 very well:Isaiah 53
Psalm 22 again in context, in the previous verses explain verse 16.... 12 My enemies surround me like a herd of bulls; fierce bulls of Bashan have hemmed me in! 13 Like lions they open their jaws against me, roaring and tearing into their prey. 16 in JPS 17 For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet.
That makes perfect contextual sense. This is David talking about his enemies. Not about Jesus. The Christian bibles mistranslate the word Ka Ari.
Concerning the rules regarding the sacrifices; Jesus wasn’t fulfilling only the Passover sacrifice, but all the sacrifices. His was a composite of them all. He had to be.
This is impossible. A) the passover is not a sin offering. The passover "lamb" is not the lamb of G-d. The passover lamb was the Israelites slaughtering the Egyptian god (lamb-ram) and defiantly placing the blood on the door posts. It wasnt a matter of the blood saving the Jewish people from G-ds wrath, G-ds wrath was being poured out against Egypt. The angel could obviously tell who was Jewish and who wasnt without the blood. The blood was for the Egyptians to see. Also, the passover lamb had to be eaten before morning. Jesus wasnt eaten.
B) He was a composite of them all? Where in the Tanakh (OT) does it say that the Messiah will be such a thing? No where. Where does it say that human sacrifice is allowed? Where does it say that vicarious human atonement is allowed? Where does it say in the OT that the Messiah will end time dependant sacrifices and make a once for all sacrifice? No where. Where does it say the Mashiach ben David is a god-man? Dont you think that G-d would plainly say so? Why would G-d tell us in Deut 30 that we can do the law and then 1500 years later tell us we cant? That makes G-d a liar or a deciever. Why would G-d tell us that the law is forever and then 1500 years tell us the law is over. Again making G-d a liar or a deciever.
But those same diciples were given the promise of the Spirit prophesied by Joel; then they boldly preached in spite of lashings and imprisonment.
No these events in Joel have not happened yet. If you read the verses preceeding and after, the context clearly shows that those prophetic visions did not occur in the first century.
**Hezekiah was a very righteous King.**
Absolutely! Too bad about his falling to the weakness of pride; showing off the riches of his dominion to potential/ future enemies.
**Have you not studied him?**
Oh yes, and I find at least equal praise for Josiah:
“Surely there was not holden such a passover from the days of the judges that judged Israel, nor in all the days of the kings of Israel, nor of the kings of Judah;.....And like unto him was there no king before him, that turned to the Lord with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses; neither after him arose there any like him.” (2Kings 23:22-25)
**..Matt has him decended through cursed king Jeconiah,..**
Well, you brought up Matthew, so why don’t we take a look at some in the lineage:
Judah’s son through adultery was Phares,
Soloman started great, then crashed,
Rehoboam continued the decline, with the Egyptian king dropping by to clean out the house of the Lord, and the king’s house.
Ahaz was an idolator,
Manasseh, just wow! Bad to the bone, but Chronicles says he called on the Lord and restored the kingdom to some degree.
This is only a partial response, I should have been asleep 2 hrs ago, the harvestor must be rolling 6 hrs from now. Makes me tired just thinking about it.
So, he listened to God's word, ostensibly considered it to some degree, and then made the conscious choice to believe.
How dare he be so insolent as to question the word of God, put God's word to the test, make God indebted to his choice.
The only way around that little fact is if you had no choice at all, which leads to the absurdity of predestination.
I must thank the Protestants, at least the ones most virulently opposed to Catholicism, as you've exposed me to the shallowness and lack of rigor in your scholarship.
It's like listening to middle-schoolers discuss Kierkegaard.
Abram believed God and it was accounted to Him for Righteousness
So God acknowledged his good work, and provided His reward.
But that is the beauty of Judaism! Abraham? flawed. Moses? flawed. David? flawed. Hezekiah? flawed. the people? good.bad.good.bad. etc. BUT! Abraham was praised by G-d! Moses walked with G-d, David was G-ds friend. etc...
Gen26:4 I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, 5 because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."
You see, there is no requirement to be perfect. Life is a struggle of our inclination to do evil (Yetzer hara) and to do good (Yetzer tov) There is only a requirement to do your best to love HaShem (G-d) follow His commands as a blue print for life! Psalm 119, the longest chapter in the bible. 176 verses of David speaking of his love of the Law. Paul says it is a curse. NO! It is a delight to serve G-d, do his will, it repairs a fallen world! Why? Because He loved us first! Our response should be to love Him in return by doing what he asks of us!
How's that harvest? Hopefully you have a cab with AC and a good stereo.
Harvest is going smoothly. AC, yes. Stereo, yes, but I don’t listen to it. I want to be able to hear a possible mechanical failure as early as possible.
My sis lives in WA, near Wenatchee. Been there, but don’t like the nearly desert soil and shortage of rainfall.
Still have more to reply to on earlier comments, but have to do more study as time permits.
I’m back with a few thoughts.
**The passover lamb was the Israelites slaughtering the Egyptian god (lamb-ram) and defiantly placing the blood on the door posts.**
So when you celebrate the feast of the passover you eat an animal that is symbolizing a pagon god. Huh?????
But, the OT that I read is very clear that the blood applied to the sides and top of the doorway of their houses was there so that the Lord word bypass them during his plague for the firstborn. Of course he knew who had ate the passover, but being a God that required strict obedience, it was another command to be followed to see who will obey him.
So, in your view, when Messiah comes, he resumes animal sacrifices. So, by that logic, God will still not have completely freed man from the curse of sin. So, when does He finally remove the curse of sin from the earth. ( I know what I believe, just want to hear your view.)
So when you celebrate the feast of the passover you eat an animal that is symbolizing a pagon god. Huh?????
Naahh. A lamb is just a kosher animal. Thats it. It was a god for the Egyptians. That is why Moses said this:
Exodus 8:25 Then Pharaoh summoned Moses and Aaron and said, "Go, sacrifice to your God here in the land." 26 But Moses said, "That would not be right. The sacrifices we offer the LORD our God would be detestable to the Egyptians. And if we offer sacrifices that are detestable in their eyes, will they not stone us? 27 We must take a three-day journey into the desert to offer sacrifices to the LORD our God, as he commands us."
So, the final act against Pharoh, was to proceed the sacrifice of the lamb, knowing, trusting and out of faith that G-d would deliver them. Otherwise the Egyptians would have slaughtered the Jews for sacrificing one their gods.
being a God that required strict obedience, it was another command to be followed to see who will obey him.
Well I guess you could say that. Sure it was important to obey but perhaps more important it was the act taken by faith. When they put the blood on the doorway...the Egyptians would know exactly who slaughtered their god. Had G-d not delivered them...It would be retaliation bigtime!
So, in your view, when Messiah comes, he resumes animal sacrifices.
G-d says so, Ezekiel 43/44. I mearly repeat the fact.
God will still not have completely freed man from the curse of sin. So, when does He finally remove the curse of sin from the earth.
And I shall give them one heart, and shall put a new spirit within them. And I shall take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in My statutes and keep My ordinances, and do them. Then they will be My people, and I shall be their God. (Ezekiel 11:19-20)
My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees. (Ezekiel 37:24)
And many peoples shall come, and say: "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths," for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. (Isaiah 2:3)
So do these scriptures mean there will be no sin? I personally dont think so. Abraham was a flawed person but G-d said this about him. Gen 26:4 I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, 5 because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."
They use the same language. Abraham kept the law, was a flawed person, yet G-d was pleased with him.
Keep in mind, the sacrifices in the Temple are primarily for unintentional sin. Only about 6 sins that are done intentionally can be atoned for by animal sacrifice. All other intention sins are dealt with directly through G-d by repentance, prayer, charity and a few others.
Some think there will be no intentional sin in the Messianic era, only unintentional sin. But certainly when we die and are resurrected, we wont sin in heaven (the world to come).
**Hey hows the harvest? Do soybeans in the field look like Edamame soy pods you buy in the store?**
At harvest, the pods and beans are brown and dry, the beans being almost perfectly round. They taste similar to unsalted peanuts.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.