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Dinosaur Protein Sequences and the Dino-to-Bird Model
Institute for Creation Research ^ | Oct. 1, 2009 | Jeffrey Tomkins, Ph.D.

Posted on 10/10/2009 11:10:58 AM PDT by bogusname

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To: bogusname

“This is, of course, old news but if you look around a little you’ll find a video that actually shows the blood vessels”

Were they actual,functional blood vessels, or were they fossilized remnants of what could have been and may have looked like blood vessels?

I read the findings. You watched a video.

I forgive you for jumping to conclusions that you simply do not understand, and for labeling me with syndromes you are not qualified to diagnose. It’s up to you to let ignorance control you or to triumph over it.

Good luck.


41 posted on 10/13/2009 5:31:54 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

Again you took out the facts you wanted to repeat and disregarded the rest. That’s not a good scientific method and it is a symptom of your syndrome. I work in a mental hospital and I’ve dealt with many people just like you. In your case I believe you just need to mature a little bit.
I said I read several accounts. You missed that sparky. :)


42 posted on 10/13/2009 5:39:36 AM PDT by bogusname (Banish All Lliberals)
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“I work in a mental hospital “

Perfect. How many patients in the mental hospital where you work claim to be God? How many claim to be Darwin?

I’m just curious.


43 posted on 10/13/2009 5:41:53 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: bogusname

“Again you took out the facts you wanted to repeat and disregarded the rest. “

No, I did not. The conclusion I leaped to was that if an article misrepresents it’s source data, the rest of the article is suspect.

“I work in a mental hospital and I’ve dealt with many people just like you.”

But you so obviously are not a doctor, because you would not misunderstand my statements so drastically, and attempt derision based on those misunderstandings if you had actually attempted a challenging course of study at least once in your life.

That is a common syndrome amongst your “creation science” brethren - academic mediocrity, and resentment of those who demonstrably achieve intellectually and/or academically.


44 posted on 10/13/2009 5:48:14 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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Quite a few claim to be God or that they receive special strange orders from Him. I’ve noticed most of them have at some point in their lives dabbled in Buddhism. I’m not making any claims in that regard, it’s just something I’ve noted. No, I haven’t met any Darwins. You have me on that one.


45 posted on 10/13/2009 5:48:38 AM PDT by bogusname (Banish All Lliberals)
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To: RFEngineer

You are such a genius. my my
All kidding aside, thanks for the volley, I was so bored before you showed up.


46 posted on 10/13/2009 5:51:17 AM PDT by bogusname (Banish All Lliberals)
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To: RFEngineer; nmh; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; valkyry1; Mr. Silverback; Gordon Greene; ...
You really mean to say that anyone who believes in evolution is going to hell, don’t you? Please be an honest “creation science” guy (if there is such a beast) when you answer.

So, you've already determined that anyone who doesn't think that anyone who believes in evolution is not an *honest creationist*? That they're lying?

Why do you think, or want to think, that the only *honest creationists* that are out there are those who believe that anyone who believes in evolution is going to hell?

How is it that you and the rest of the evos who pull this nonsense, have determined that every creationist has to believe that those who believe in evolution are going to hell and that if they say they don't, that they're liars?

47 posted on 10/13/2009 5:56:28 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: bogusname

“I’m not making any claims in that regard, it’s just something I’ve noted. No, I haven’t met any Darwins. You have me on that one.”

You know why? It’s easy to claim to be God. Why claim to be Darwin and have to demonstrate actual knowledge that they do not possess, and in the end (assuming they could argue successfully), just be a guy with a theory?

That’s why I am amused at folks who think that other folks who believe in evolution follow it as a religion. Even the residents of your mental hospital get the fact that that is a ridiculous argument.


48 posted on 10/13/2009 5:58:09 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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Nobody cares who believes in evolution.

Standing back from the keyboard, watching for the lightning bolt.......

49 posted on 10/13/2009 5:59:02 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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The number of days of Creation is not a “salvation essential”,

but it is, according to apologetics scholars, a “revelation essential”.

If you don’t take God’s Word in its literal, historical-grammatical hermeneutic sense, then you have no basis on which to determine the “salvation essentials”.

And that’s all I have to say on that.


50 posted on 10/13/2009 5:59:57 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: metmom

“How is it that you and the rest of the evos who pull this nonsense, have determined that every creationist has to believe that those who believe in evolution are going to hell and that if they say they don’t, that they’re liars?”

Because, if you actually believe in what the Bible says, like you say you do, then you must believe that evolutionists are going to hell. If you don’t admit that, you either are not a creationist, because you pick and choose what the Bible says, or, you are lying.

It’s ok to believe evolutionists are going to hell, I’m ok with creationists thinking that. Are you honest enough to admit it?


51 posted on 10/13/2009 6:01:16 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: metmom

“Standing back from the keyboard, watching for the lightning bolt.......”

just a variation of the “believe in evolution, go to hell” argument that you were just arguing against!


52 posted on 10/13/2009 6:02:21 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: bogusname

“You are such a genius. my my”

My mother thought so.


53 posted on 10/13/2009 6:03:09 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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I’m going to regret this, but, I can’t help addressing a logical fallacy here.

Just WHERE does the Bible say that if you don’t believe the account of Genesis, that your damnation is assured?

The doctrine of the literal interpretation of the Bible is NOT a salvation essential.


54 posted on 10/13/2009 6:03:53 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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No, because it’s not got to do with the belief in evolution but the veracity of the statement.

Most evos certainly do care about whether people believe in evolution, otherwise they wouldn’t be forcing it on the school kids in the public school system and pitching fits over it here on FR and other forums.


55 posted on 10/13/2009 6:05:21 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RFEngineer

Show me chapter and verse that says that salvation is dependent on one’s views of how God created the universe and life.


56 posted on 10/13/2009 6:06:15 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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I won’t touch that one. Moms are off limits...so she must be right. I lose.


57 posted on 10/13/2009 6:23:07 AM PDT by bogusname (Banish All Lliberals)
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To: bogusname

“so she must be right. I lose.”

I appreciate your returning humor with humor


58 posted on 10/13/2009 6:55:42 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: metmom

“Show me chapter and verse that says that salvation is dependent on one’s views of how God created the universe and life.”

So you don’t believe in a literal Genesis?


59 posted on 10/13/2009 6:57:30 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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“The doctrine of the literal interpretation of the Bible is NOT a salvation essential.”

If it’s good enough for the fundamental underpinnings of the subject of the thread, indeed, all of “creation science” why isn’t it good enough for salvation?


60 posted on 10/13/2009 6:59:21 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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