Posted on 10/10/2009 11:10:58 AM PDT by bogusname
“again, you’re confused- anyone can go to the link and see that there’s no vast fundamentalist conspiracy that damns people to hell who ‘don’t beleive the same way ICR does’ lol- they specifically state that those who REFUSE to ACCEPT CHRIST are damned, and this is fully ocnsistent with the actual word of God and makes sense that they too would beleive that, as this is a central Christian precept, and it is fully reasonable that they would require those workign for them to beleive that CHrist is Lord, and to be saved through Christ- again- NOWHERE do they even begin to imply that anyone who beleives in evolution is automatically goign to hell lol”
Actually, they do believe that evolutionists are going to hell, and that is what their bylaws state. The full context of their bylaws states their position on Christs teachings, and the literal nature of the old testament. Then they state that if you don’t believe this that you are going to hell. (my summary)
It’s ok that they believe this, it’s just amusing that nobody on the “creation science” side has the honesty to admit it on this thread.
Curious... Are you (C-Y-C) able to accept that we can extract liquid oil from solid oil shale and tar sand through a chemical process called pyrolysis?
While this is admittedly a somewhat poor comparison, the idea is generally (VERY generally) the same. A solid rock/mineral is exposed to a chemical process that removes mineralization and produces a more workable substance of the same chemical make-up.
I hope this helps you understand a tad better. Again, this miniscule fossil that has the creationists so strangely excited was not the bronto-burger some would have us believe.
But pyrolysis (to breakdown by heat) is a bit different, it's using heat to “cook” off various components of a light weight in tar sands and oil shales.
The Nat.Geo. reference I left and the links provided in the May 1, 2009, ScienceDaily demonstrate that paloentologists are just as or more exicited than the creationists over dino proteins and collogen, etc.
[[It’s ok that they believe this, it’s just amusing that nobody on the “creation science” side has the honesty to admit it on this thread.]]
Why would they admit somethign they NEVER said nor intended? You are confused
[[The full context of their bylaws states their position on Christs teachings, and the literal nature of the old testament. Then they state that if you don’t believe this that you are going to hell.]]
Point it out- specifically- I read the hwole hting, and once again- they have NOT said this- they simply say that refusal to accept Christ as Savior will wind a person up in hell- period- That’s EXACTLY what the bible says- nowhere does it mention that people who beleive in evolution are goign to hell- those folks who beleive in evolution but have also accepted Christ as Savior ARE goign to heaven- period- ICR is a fundamental organization which beleives i nthe fundamental precept of the bible- Your accusation is a bogus one, and you have put words in the mouths of htose you apaprently don’t understand- again NOWHERE o ntheir site do they say that because someoen might beleive in evolution, they automatically are goign to hell- that is inconsistent with God’s word- A person can be saved, yet hold to mistaken beliefs about life, Your accusation has no basis i nreality
“hey simply say that refusal to accept Christ as Savior will wind a person up in hell- period-”
Oh, so they just threw that in amongst the “Genesis is literally true” and proclamations that their science follows the bible, humans did not evolve.
Then there is this: “The creation record is factual, historical, and perspicuous; thus all theories of origins or development that involve evolution in any form are false.”
which is quickly followed by this: “However, a part of the spiritual creation, Satan and his angels, rebelled against God after the creation and are attempting to thwart His divine purposes in creation.” - which, no doubt includes evolutionists!
Then they have this (the loony “creation science” line):
“Those who reject Him, however, or who neglect to believe on Him, thereby continue in their state of rebellion and must ultimately be consigned to the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”
You will have everyone believe that this was just “thrown in” for good measure and has NOTHING to do with the ICR mission - which is - distilled to its “scientific” components, if you have any scientific interest or background is to essentially “Lie for Jesus”.
No.....they believe, (and for all we can tell, probably want) evolutionists to go to hell.
Be honest....admit it. We evolutionists that are Christians and not can take it - but you “creation science” folks cannot escape this fact if ever you use material from ICR - who are forever to be known as “The you’re going to hell people”.
Again, it’s ok that they believe this. But just be honest about it - if you can’t be honest about your science, at the very least be honest about why you exist and what you believe!
boo!
Please re-post your comment after adding the requisite references to “liberal” and I will be glad to respond in detail.
I am? I think you posted to the wrong guy. I’m ambivalent on that subject.
You could have fooled us with your rantings about ICR’s perceived doctrinal stand.
Remember that TV show “The Pretender”?
You will have everyone believe that this was just “thrown in” for good measure and has NOTHING to do with the ICR mission - which is - distilled to its “scientific” components, if you have any scientific interest or background is to essentially “Lie for Jesus”.
No.....they believe, (and for all we can tell, probably want) evolutionists to go to hell.
Be honest....admit it. We evolutionists that are Christians and not can take it - but you “creation science” folks cannot escape this fact if ever you use material from ICR - who are forever to be known as “The you’re going to hell people”.
Again, it’s ok that they believe this. But just be honest about it - if you can’t be honest about your science, at the very least be honest about why you exist and what you believe!
BUSTED!
Not that you were really fooling anyone but yourself, but perhaps this will help you come to terms with exactly who and what you are...
seriously...you can take your time...even consult with your fellow amputated thumbs, but spot your own dead give-away, pretender.
or not.
LOL!
You mean “ding” isn’t enough?
While so busily projecting...uhhhhhhh
pssssst, you trained yourself!
LOL!
Boy, I should have known I couldn’t fool you.
“You mean “ding” isn’t enough?”
No. Please insert “liberal” into all your posts to me from now on, just like old times, ok?
Oh come on be a sport.
Oh come on, be a sport! Spot your slip!
Me? What about you? Can you fool you? Come on, be a sport!
You still have failed to show anythign even remotely close to ICR beleiving and stating that if a person beleives in evolution, they are goign to hell- they spell out exactly what causes someoen to go to hell- Refusal to accept Christ as Savior- Your case is finished- you are readign what you want into their personal statements of faith o ntheir site, and falsely accusing them of somethign they have never said- you also spuriously accuse them of ‘wanting evolutionists to go to hell’- your credibility is shot
“You still have failed to show anythign even remotely close to ICR beleiving and stating that if a person beleives in evolution, they are goign to hell”
Certainly I have. You refuse to believe it, which is ok, but it is plainly obvious. What purpose would they serve if they didn’t believe that?
[[Certainly I have. You refuse to believe it, which is ok, but it is plainly obvious. What purpose would they serve if they didn’t believe that?]]
Still can’t provide the evidence eh? That’s alright- I’ll wait
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