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Why Does The Catholic Church Accept Traditions? [Ecumenical]
Black Cordelias ^ | August 10, 2008 | bfhu

Posted on 08/10/2008 3:26:05 PM PDT by NYer


Q. Tradition is condemned in the Bible so why does the Cathlic Church base some of its doctrines on it?

A. Some people think the verses below condemn tradition and therefore, the Catholic Church.

Matthew 15:3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?

Mark 7: 9 And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe[a] your own traditions!

Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

However, in scripture there are two types of tradition–human and apostolic. Some human traditions are bad because they oppose the true faith. Jesus condemns human tradition that negates the commandments of God and St. Paul warns the Colossians about deceptive philosophy based upon human tradition.

But, then in the verses below we see St. Paul commending and exhorting his readers to hold firmly to the traditions that he had taught them.

1 Corinthians 11:2 I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.

2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us.

The Catholic Church follows St. Paul and continues to hold to and teach the Tradition received from the apostles.

To clarify: In the Catholic Church what is meant by Tradition with a capital “T” or when we speak about the authority of scripture and Tradition it is nothing less than the Teaching of the Apostles. This is the Faith as taught and handed down from the apostles of Jesus Christ. It does not refer to anything less. Scared Scripture itself is Apostolic Tradition. The New Testament contains the Teaching of the Apostles or Tradition .

The Canon of Scripture is also a Tradition since none of the sacred authors were inspired to write a Table of Contents for the Bible.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
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1 posted on 08/10/2008 3:26:05 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 08/10/2008 3:27:03 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

The explanation of tradition is technically correct (see Strong’s G3862 paradosis) but glosses over Catholic traditions that directly contradict or have contradicted or have no basis in the black and red letter word of Scripture.


3 posted on 08/10/2008 4:01:50 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Could you source your opinion?


4 posted on 08/10/2008 4:05:28 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

There are no Traditions within Catholicism that contradict scripture.


5 posted on 08/10/2008 4:26:11 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
The explanation of tradition is technically correct... but glosses over Catholic traditions that directly contradict or have contradicted or have no basis in the black and red letter word of Scripture.

...said "black and red letter word of Scripture" being itself the product of Catholic Tradition.

6 posted on 08/10/2008 4:36:53 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: NYer

Wanted to post a photo, but I couldn’t remember how, and couldn’t find that HTML primer that used to be on here.


7 posted on 08/10/2008 5:12:06 PM PDT by dsc
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
The explanation of tradition is technically correct (see Strong’s G3862 paradosis) but glosses over Catholic traditions that directly contradict or have contradicted or have no basis in the black and red letter word of Scripture.

Scripture has no basis in the black and red letter word of Scripture. Why do you accept the Gospel of John, but not the Gospel of Peter or the Gospel of Thomas?

8 posted on 08/10/2008 6:28:26 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: NYer

Christ was always talking to the Pharisees about the folly of their human traditions, washing up to the elbows before eating; eating with sinners, for instance.


9 posted on 08/10/2008 7:25:46 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer
Why Does The Catholic Church Accept Traditions? [Ecumenical]

A Return to Tradition: A new interest in old ways takes root in Catholicism and many other faiths

Scripture Is Tradition

SCRIPTURE AND TRADITION

The Importance of Tradition Today

The Place of Custom and Tradition

Early Church Fathers on (Oral) Tradition - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

Holy Tradition: The Road That Leads Home

On Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition

Recovering the Catholic Moral Tradition: The notion of happiness

Tradition and Reform

APOSTOLIC TRADITION: Consistency or Contradiction?

Can Vatican II be interpreted in the light of Tradition?

The New Mass: A Return to Tradition???

Pope praises Ukrainian-Catholic Church for upholding Sacred Tradition, communion with Seat of Peter

The Shadow Tradition - Magisterium vs Murk

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"In Light Of Tradition"... The Society Of St. Pius X And Vatican II

10 posted on 08/10/2008 7:29:28 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: vladimir998
There are no Traditions within Catholicism that contradict scripture.
 
Here is one
 
Matthew 23 9    And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. ....
 
 

11 posted on 08/10/2008 7:34:32 PM PDT by Radix (Think it is bad now? Wait until you have to press "2" for English!)
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To: Radix
Here's your answer:

{Using the title] Father for Priests [Ecumenical]

12 posted on 08/10/2008 7:51:49 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Radix
My friend, if you have ever called your own male parent"father," you have thereby done yourself the exact same thing for which you condemn Catholics corporately. Did you ever call your father "father," or not? if you have , how did you make this square with Matthew 23:9? Or, put another way, how is the Catholic Church condemned for doing that which you do yourself? Don't say "Calling your parent 'father' is different." The quote you gave seems to be a blanket prohibition, and you certainly present it as such for our edification...so, what's the deal with you personally?

Context, and an understanding of the tendency of Hebrew and Aramaic toward hyperbole to make up for the languages' lack of capability for nuance, can both be your friend, here. Have you ever taken Jesus' words to heart, and plucked out your eye or cut off your hand, as He seems to order under circumstances laid out in Matthew 5:29-30? If you haven't, and I assume such is the case, do you plead "context" leading to His use of exaggeration to make the point? Just so...

13 posted on 08/10/2008 8:08:26 PM PDT by magisterium
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To: vladimir998

Those are excellent sources. May I copy them to the other thread I posted?


15 posted on 08/10/2008 8:18:05 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Absolutely! I don’t own them! :)


16 posted on 08/10/2008 8:18:58 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

Thanks, I just did it!


17 posted on 08/10/2008 8:23:25 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Catholic traditions that directly contradict or have contradicted or have no basis in the black and red letter word of Scripture.

You have defined what logicians and mathematicians define as The Null Set.

18 posted on 08/10/2008 8:26:48 PM PDT by Petronski (The God of Life will condemn the Chinese government. Laogai means GULAG.)
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To: Radix

What did you call your male parent? What should one call ones male parent?


19 posted on 08/10/2008 8:28:29 PM PDT by Petronski (The God of Life will condemn the Chinese government. Laogai means GULAG.)
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