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New Edition: Darwin's Black Box

Posted on 04/10/2006 8:01:00 AM PDT by truthfinder9

The new 10th Anniversary edition of the book that still has Darwin Fundies running scared. With a new afterword.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743290313/

"A persuasive book. It will speak to the layman and perhaps even to professional evolutionists as well, if they are able to suspend for a little while their own judgment about origins, the ultimate black box."

-- The Washington Times

"An argument of great originality, elegance, and intellectual power. . . . No one can propose to defend Darwin without meeting the challenges set out in this superbly written and compelling book."

-- David Berlinski, author of A Tour of the Calculus

"Overthrows Darwin at the end of the twentieth century in the same way that quantum theory overthrew Newton at the beginning."

-- George Gilder in National Review

"[Behe] is the most prominent of the small circle of scientists working on intelligent design, and his arguments are by far the best known."

-- H. Allen Orr in The New Yorker

"When examined with the powerful tools of modern biology, but not with its modern prejudices, life on a biochemical level can be a product, Behe says, only of intelligent design. Coming from a practicing biologist. . . this proposition is close to heretical."

-- The New York Times Book Review


TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science; Skeptics/Seekers
KEYWORDS: apologetics; behe; biology; complexity; creation; crevolist; darwin; design; evolution; fundamentalism; genesis; id; origins; pseudoscience; science

1 posted on 04/10/2006 8:01:05 AM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9

Did he add any examples of irreducible complexity that really are irreducibly complex?


2 posted on 04/10/2006 8:09:01 AM PDT by ahayes
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To: ahayes

Wrong question. Have the Darwinists ever adequately answered how his original example could have been the result of natural selection?


3 posted on 04/10/2006 3:58:32 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: truthfinder9
Molecular Machines: Experimental Support for the Design Inference
4 posted on 04/10/2006 4:03:04 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Kenny Bunkport
Flagella not irreducibly complex

More non-IC flagella

Eye not irreducibly complex

Clotting cascade not irreducibly complex

I believe these were Behe's key examples.

5 posted on 04/10/2006 4:29:41 PM PDT by ahayes
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To: ahayes
Did he add any examples of irreducible complexity that really are irreducibly complex?

No.

He did not correct any of the original errors.

6 posted on 04/10/2006 6:24:25 PM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: balrog666; Kenny Bunkport; ahayes
Actually Behe has answered in detail the empty claims of the Darwin Fundies (of course the Darwin Fundie Newsletter probably forgot to mention these):

Responses to Critics


7 posted on 04/11/2006 4:50:26 AM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: ahayes
The Vise Strategy: Squeezing the Truth Out of Darwinists

In Defense of Intelligent Design

Design Inference

”Intelligent Design: The Future” blog

Evolution News & Views: News Analysis of Media Coverage of the Debate Over Evolution

8 posted on 04/11/2006 11:04:18 AM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: balrog666

From your comment, it would be accurate to assume you've read both the original edition, and this new addition as well?


9 posted on 04/11/2006 11:05:40 AM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Kenny Bunkport

Another edition?
10 posted on 04/11/2006 11:57:08 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Kenny Bunkport

One problem with ID is it posits a designer who is a raging sadistic psychopath. A malevolent designer. Fortunately, ID has no implications at all for religion.


11 posted on 04/11/2006 12:00:08 PM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: js1138
If one wishes to discuss a creation gone bad, the problem of evil, etc. and so on, then we're really in the realm of theology. (Hint)
12 posted on 04/11/2006 3:09:49 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: truthfinder9

Well, I guess he figures he can still squeeze a buck out of it before it fades into history along with all the other quack theories that have gone before it.


13 posted on 04/11/2006 3:12:43 PM PDT by RogueIsland (.)
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To: truthfinder9

I know this is aggravating, but all but one of your links are broken.


14 posted on 04/11/2006 3:16:13 PM PDT by ahayes
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To: Kenny Bunkport

ID doesn't address theological questions. In fact it denies absolutely that any reference to theology is implied.

I simply observe that the design results in incalcuable cruelty. Whether one imputes evil to the design of relentless cruelty is outside the realm of the observable.


15 posted on 04/11/2006 3:19:06 PM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: balrog666; Kenny Bunkport; ahayes
sorry, try this:

Responses to Critics


16 posted on 04/12/2006 9:27:00 AM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: Junior

For the archives.


17 posted on 04/13/2006 7:10:09 PM PDT by curiosity
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