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It's Time To Tell NASCAR How We Feel About Toyota
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Posted on 06/04/2003 9:45:23 AM PDT by Provost-Marshal

It's Time To Tell NASCAR How We Feel About Toyota

By Denise Thompson

June 4, 2003

I cannot believe what I have been hearing, and reading.

Much to the dismay of some fans, it looks like Toyota is going to get the chance to compete in the American sport of NASCAR.

I belong to several NASCAR fans private groups online and can honestly say that the majority of these fans are not just in shock at this news, but are as mad as Tony Stewart and his crew chief, Greg Zippadeli, were when NASCAR confiscated Stewart's Home Depot Chevrolet at Texas Motor Speedway earlier in April. Now it's come to light that NASCAR has given that car to the Japanese to help them produce a Toyota race car.

However, NASCAR has denied that Stewart's car was ever given to anyone and stated that the car is still in the R & D shop. If what NASCAR says is true, then why is Stewart and Zippadeli upset with NASCAR?

There are two reasons why most of the fans don't want to see Toyota in NASCAR.

The first reason: During World War II, not only did some of these fans lose a grandfather, husband, dad, uncle, brother, cousin and or a dear friend, while other fans may have a loved one that is or was permanently injured, as losing their eye sight or even a limb if not two, during the sneak attack on our American troops, that fateful day on December 7, 1941 known as "The Attack at Pearl Harbor." The Japanese brutally killed our boys on the march to Bataan, on Mount Suribachi in Iwo Jima, as well as the P.O.W. camps, our American soldiers were brutally murdered and dismembered. It's not that we Americans hold a grudge, it's just the Japanese have never apologized to the United States for any of these cowardly acts.

Don't get me wrong, we realize that the Dodge's are now a German vehicle (Daimler owns 51% while Chrysler owns 49%), and we don't mind having foreign cars in NASCAR such as the Dodge, but it was first an American manufactured vehicle. The fans just don't want to see any foreign made cars in NASCAR.

Secondly: Traditionally this sport was based in the south and has traveled throughout the United States. Drivers like Ned Jarrett, Lee Petty, Ralph Earnhardt and Curtis Turner, just to mention a few, began this sport on the beaches of Florida and North Carolina, as well as dirt tracks in North Carolina. This sport has been passed from generation to generations of American families. What happened to the tradition of this sport? This is what the fans are asking. Why does Mike Helton or even Bill France have the right to change that? Looking at the whole picture, if Toyota is allowed to race in NASCAR, what's next? Are we going to open the door to Italy, France, Russia, China, or the rest of the world. Where does it end? Does this sport go International? Will we be actively looking for foreign drivers? Will NASCAR be building tracks in other countries?

No longer will NASCAR be an American sport. Like so many other things we have lost, it's time for the fans to stand up and fight for this by letting NASCAR know how we feel about it.

I am speaking on behalf of the majority of the NASCAR fans, We do not want Toyota or any other foreign made car in the sport of NASCAR. We want to keep the tradition and we want to keep NASCAR the way it is right now, today.

Many fans have fallen in love with the sport. Don't let NASCAR or anyone else take it away from us. You can contact NASCAR at the following address:

NASCAR 1801 W. International Speedway Blvd. Daytona Beach, Florida 32114


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To: samuel_adams_us
It's simply a different type of racing that requires a different skill set. F1 has by far the most technology, and as an engineer I love to see it, but I really do get tired of seeing that parade of qualifying laps that are passed on as races in F1 now. To what extent driver aides should be done away with I'm not certain, but I think that there is too much in today's F1 car, making comparisons difficult, and competition all about money.

NASCAR is the other end of the spectrum. Competition amongst makers is artificially enforced, and easier to do with yesterday's technology. A case can be made that it's a better show - which it is, to someone who wants to see close racin' and controverisal finishes. It's not a good show to someone who wants to see tomorrow's technology and hear what 19000 rpm sounds like.

To each his own. I can appreciate both. But what I really LOVE to see is NASCAR on road courses. It's a blast to watch.

141 posted on 06/04/2003 12:01:14 PM PDT by Palmetto
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To: biblewonk
How about if we just destroy the rail industry and replace it with millions of trucks and truckers. Now that's a labor intensive, job intensive, expensive way to move things around a hugh country like this.

It is hugh. And vey, vey series.

142 posted on 06/04/2003 12:01:17 PM PDT by brewcrew (It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into. - Jonathan Swift)
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To: samuel_adams_us
but F1 attracts more fans
Sorry to interrupt, tacticlogic...
And Clinton got elected twice, and more people watch soccer than baseball.
143 posted on 06/04/2003 12:02:14 PM PDT by eBelasco
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To: tacticalogic
Oh, I dont know. I love F-1, and I love NASCAR. A racing fan can find reasons to love both. I fear for the future of NASCAR, because the regulations are choking it. It needs to be as wild and wooly as possible, with the expection that occasionally, someone is going to get killed, just like in F-1 racing.

NASCAR has over-reacted from Dale's death, and is taking the fun out of things. I want to see passing in the grass again. F-1 just keeps getting better and better, if you ask me.

144 posted on 06/04/2003 12:04:16 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: samuel_adams_us
Sure, but F1 attracts more fans, makes more money, has a bigger following, has more technology, faster cars, and better drivers.

And this has exactly what to do with Toyota building cars for NASCAR?

145 posted on 06/04/2003 12:04:53 PM PDT by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: MineralMan
Getting your hands on a gullwing would set you back about a cool mill these days. And I definitely wouldn't auto-x one!!
146 posted on 06/04/2003 12:05:20 PM PDT by Palmetto
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To: newgeezer
That is a SWEET ride! One of my first cars was a '74 Catalina I bought from my grandpa, who took very good care of it. His grandson didn't, however. Boy, I miss that car.
147 posted on 06/04/2003 12:05:22 PM PDT by brewcrew (It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into. - Jonathan Swift)
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To: Pukin Dog
I think you put Senna in Michael's Ferrari, and Michael is toasted

Possible. When I watched Senna race, I knew at the time I was watching the best. Unfortunately, the inevitable comparisons will have to be argued and left unsettled. But i think everyone can agree that they are both in very elite company.

148 posted on 06/04/2003 12:08:02 PM PDT by Palmetto
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To: Pukin Dog
Oh, I dont know. I love F-1, and I love NASCAR. A racing fan can find reasons to love both.

Agreed, but the article and the thread are specific to NASCAR. If I want to talk about F1 racing, I'll find a thread about it, or start one.

149 posted on 06/04/2003 12:10:26 PM PDT by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: eBelasco
Did NASCAR say they were going to change all (or any) of the rules?

I guess the effect on MLB has been negative since the rise of Japanese players in the bigs...
150 posted on 06/04/2003 12:10:41 PM PDT by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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To: Guillermo
Once NASCAR brings in foreign manufacturers, it is a different sport. I think the better analogy is "has MLB benefitted from expanding to include foreign teams?"
151 posted on 06/04/2003 12:15:21 PM PDT by eBelasco
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To: Guillermo
When you get right down to it, I don't mind Jap cars, since they haven't betrayed us in quite a while. But if they ever allow Euroweenie-mobiles to race, I'm going back to monster trucks.


152 posted on 06/04/2003 12:16:21 PM PDT by Provost-Marshal
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To: eBelasco
Are Fords made in Mexico less foreign than Toyotas made in Tennessee? How about the BMW's made in South Carolina or the Mercedes' made in Alabama? Are they more foreign than the Jeeps made in Canada?
153 posted on 06/04/2003 12:19:30 PM PDT by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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To: Guillermo
Whether they are or aren't, NASCAR, IMO, is about the big three automakers facing off against each other. If I want to watch Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, etc racing, I'll watch a different racing league.
154 posted on 06/04/2003 12:31:11 PM PDT by eBelasco
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Heaven help me, I actually like Mustang IIs...

Not mine, but I like it.
155 posted on 06/04/2003 12:32:02 PM PDT by m1911
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To: m1911
Oh, its basic appearance was OK, but when we get into the cheap metal, the cheap vinyl, the crappy motor, the rattles, the lack of power, etc., it gets really crappy.
156 posted on 06/04/2003 12:34:33 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: eBelasco
So they lose you, and gain a few Japanese fans.

Like I said earlier...net gain for NASCAR.
157 posted on 06/04/2003 12:39:12 PM PDT by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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To: Provost-Marshal
They're too busy trying to catch up to Ferrari in F1.
158 posted on 06/04/2003 12:40:37 PM PDT by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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To: Provost-Marshal
They're too busy trying to catch up to Ferrari in F1.
159 posted on 06/04/2003 12:40:37 PM PDT by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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To: Guillermo
Yes, my loss to NASCAR would be a net gain for them. They don't need xenophobic fans like me, clearly.
Can't wait to see the Bodines driving the Hello Kitty cars though.
160 posted on 06/04/2003 12:45:00 PM PDT by eBelasco
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