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Scientists warn of 'global catastrophe' (Extensive fires burning underground )
Financial Times ^ | Saturday Feb 15 2003. | Clive Cookson in Denver

Posted on 02/15/2003 10:16:24 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Extensive fires burning underground in the many coal-producing countries are a little known "global catastrophe", scientists warned on Friday. These largely hidden conflagrations are an important source of air pollution, particularly in Asia, and they contribute significantly to global warming.

The world's coal fire experts, who met at the American Association for the Advancement of Science conference, said new data from heat-sensing satellites and ground-based geological surveys showed that the problem was more serious than environmental scientists had previously realised. Thousands of fires are burning in the world's coalfields - and there is no easy way to put them out.

In China, the leading coal producing nation, underground fires are believed to consume up to 200m tonnes of coal per year, said Glenn Stracher of East Georgia College. That would release as much carbon dioxide per year as all the road vehicles in the US - equivalent to 2 to 3 per cent of carbon dioxide emissions from global fossil fuel burning.


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Coal seams near the surface occasionally catch fire naturally - the right combination of sunlight and oxygen can cause spontaneous combustion or the coal may be ignited by heat from forest fires started by lightning. But most burning today results from human activity, particularly mining. Once a fire starts it may smoulder on for decades or even centuries.

The most notorious US coal fire started in a mine close to Centralia, Pennsylvania, in 1962. The town was abandoned in the 1970s when pollution became intolerable - and the coal is still burning today. Last year a historic coal mine fire near Glenwood Springs, Colorado, sparked a forest fire that destroyed 12,000 acres of trees and destroyed almost 30 homes.

In Indonesia, there is a particularly pernicious interaction between forest fires and coal burning, said Alfred Whitehouse, a US government expert seconded to the Indonesian government. Fires started deliberately to clear forest for farming have ignited coal seams close to the surface, which can in turn start more forest fires. As a result, some of Indonesia's national parks - and a nature reserve used as a reintroduction site for orangutans - are threatened.

Of the 20,000 orangutans estimated to remain in the wild, 15,000 are in the Kalimantan region threatened by coal and forest fires.

Most Indonesian coal fires are relatively easy to extinguish, given sufficient resources, because they are close to the surface. A hundred have been put out by excavating the earth around the burning coal and pouring in water, Mr Whitehouse said, but he estimated that as many as 3,000 coal fires are still burning in Indonesia.

Gary Colaizzi, a US mining engineer, has invented a high-tech means of putting out coal fires. His company, Goodson and Associates, uses a heat-resistant grout - a mixture of sand, cement, ash, water and foam - that can be pumped around the burning coal and shut off its oxygen supply. It has been used successfully to put out 25 fires in the western US, he said.



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Our SUV's contribute very little to the world's Global Warming.

It is all of these underground coal fires that are the problem!

1 posted on 02/15/2003 10:16:24 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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2 posted on 02/15/2003 10:17:29 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (SUV's are great!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
They find Hell? :')
3 posted on 02/15/2003 10:21:12 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
In China, the leading coal producing nation, underground fires are believed to consume up to 200m tonnes of coal per year, said Glenn Stracher of East Georgia College. That would release as much carbon dioxide per year as all the road vehicles in the US - equivalent to 2 to 3 per cent of carbon dioxide emissions from global fossil fuel burning.

It will be interesting to see how the world community pins the blame for this on their favorite "whipping boy," the U.S.

4 posted on 02/15/2003 10:24:39 AM PST by syriacus (Going to the UN is like being locked in the Castle of Despair. Better to stay far away, Pilgrim.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
These nuts have to invent something new every week. They bore me.
5 posted on 02/15/2003 10:30:50 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Maybe one of these nuts just read about the city of Cienfuegos (A Hundred Fires) northwest of Havana, Cuba, and thought it must be the start of something.
6 posted on 02/15/2003 10:34:30 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It was 32 below again this morning. I wish someone would start a coal seam on fire here!
7 posted on 02/15/2003 10:37:07 AM PST by TigersEye (Let the liberals whine -- it's what they do.)
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To: TigersEye
It was 32 below again this morning.

Damn that is cold, what was the wind chill?

8 posted on 02/15/2003 10:39:29 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Nuke Saddam ( Bush is thinking about it ) and then what about Germany and France?)
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To: syriacus

That would release as much carbon dioxide per year as all the road vehicles in the US - equivalent to 2 to 3 per cent of carbon dioxide emissions from global fossil fuel burning.

Which is not even near the total contribution of nature to greenhouse gas concentrations.

Mankind's impact is only 0.28% of Total Greenhouse effect

That includes the contribution of the coal mines in China.

" There is no dispute at all about the fact that even if punctiliously observed, (the Kyoto Protocol) would have an imperceptible effect on future temperatures -- one-twentieth of a degree by 2050. "

Dr. S. Fred Singer, atmospheric physicist
Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia,
and former director of the US Weather Satellite Service;
in a Sept. 10, 2001 Letter to Editor, Wall Street Journal

 

Change in climatic temperature is predominantly a consequence of Solar heating/cooling arising from variation of solar radiance, plus astronomical & geophysical events affecting surface & atmospheric albedo.

 

Ice Ages & Astronomical Causes
Brief Introduction to the History of Climate
by Richard A. Muller

Origin of the 100 kyr Glacial Cycle

 


9 posted on 02/15/2003 10:39:31 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Or maybe they just read about Teirra del Fuego (land of Fire) which is at the tip of South America. I admit the photos of it look like hell, but it's a freezing hell...penguins and all.
10 posted on 02/15/2003 10:44:19 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: TigersEye
It was 32 below again this morning.

You really should find another place than the freezer in which to sleep ;-)

11 posted on 02/15/2003 10:48:45 AM PST by varon
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
http://www.mail-archive.com/fact@tlk-lists.com/msg00037.html
The oldest known continuously burning fire is an underground coal fire in New
South Wales, Australia. This fire apparently started over 2,000 years ago when
lightning struck a large coal seam at a point where it reached the surface of the
earth. Today the fire is more than 500 feet (152 meters) underground, and is still
slowly eating away at the coal.

http://www.penweb.org/issues/mining/tribrev/swfires.html
http://www.penweb.org/issues/mining/tribrev/centralia.html

Just a few cool links on the subject.
12 posted on 02/15/2003 10:51:49 AM PST by Saturnalia
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Of the 20,000 orangutans estimated to remain in the wild, 15,000 are in the Kalimantan region threatened by coal and forest fires."

Oh My God! What am I going to do after I run out of orangutans?

13 posted on 02/15/2003 10:54:30 AM PST by QuitStealingOurMoney
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
I admit the photos of it look like hell, but it's a freezing hell...penguins and all.

That's how Bill described sleeping with Hillary.

14 posted on 02/15/2003 10:57:24 AM PST by uglybiker
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
We had a peat bog behind the house where I grew up. It was on fire underground for a long time.

I wonder how common that might be.

15 posted on 02/15/2003 10:57:29 AM PST by syriacus (Going to the UN is like being locked in the Castle of Despair. Better to stay far away, Pilgrim.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Underground fires my butt! It's the DemonCrap Retreat where they plan their strategy.............HELL!
16 posted on 02/15/2003 10:57:50 AM PST by Doc Savage
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To: ancient_geezer
Thanks, you have more good stuff!
17 posted on 02/15/2003 11:01:02 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: ancient_geezer
Hey there ancient geezer (no disrespect intended) do you have any links to Dr. Singer or other articles by him? I find his point of view to be refreshing.
18 posted on 02/15/2003 11:13:56 AM PST by whipitgood (...you can't deny the satisfied mind......)
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To: Saturnalia
Thank you...Interesting...I believe I read about it a long time ago and forgot about it.

Thank you again for the information.

These people are still whackos.

19 posted on 02/15/2003 11:17:57 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: uglybiker
LOL!!!
20 posted on 02/15/2003 11:20:49 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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