You're flat out wrong. Throughout much of the Third World, hundreds of millions of people breathe, drink, and bathe in human filth. Why isn't there any smallpox in these places?
Posted on 12/17/2002 11:13:33 PM PST by Joe 6-pack
"Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."
Circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution....
Article I.
Section 8. The Congress shall have power to...
...provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
...define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
... declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
... make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
... make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
Section 9.
...The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.
Article II
Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States..."
The facts of the matter are thus...
We have been attacked...in a manner more viscious than Pearl Harbor, the incursions of Pancho Villa, the sinking of the Lusiitania, or any other assault against our nation suffered during the 20th Century.
Efforts to continue attacks against our nation continue.
Liberal immigration policies have permitted the enemy to grow within.
Posse Comitatus is NOT an integral part of the Constitution; rather a proscription against the use of the Federal military in a law enforcement capacity against U.S. Civilians, UNDER MOST CIRCUMSTANCES. Exceptions have been written into the law, and, believe it or not, U.S. Military frequently supports U.S. Law enforcement in the following capacities...
1. Virtually not a day goes by where U.S. Army bomb detector K9s support the U.S. Secret Service, State deprtment, or DoD who request K9 sweeps in anticipation of dignitary visits.
2. U.S. Army / AF EOD personnel support local law enforcement who encounter unexploded U.S. or foreign, "souvenier," munitions or other IEDs which exceed the technical capacity of local EOD personnel.
When the enemy is within, are we to believe that the Department of Defense no longer has a role because the opponent is on U.S. soil? This is perhaps one the most absurd notions that political commentators of any stripe have ever proffered. Most curiously, the concept is most fiercely advocated by those who've tried to minimize the DoD's role abroad, suggesting that forward projection is not a matter of defense. We are a nation at war, and the warfighting component of the government should be given the lead.
Persons arguing aginst the DoD's role in the current conflict on Constitutional grounds need to realize that the DoD, formerly, the War Department, is Constitutionally organized and has a Constitutional role...on U.S. soil and beyond.
While I don't pretend to know more than anyone else on the subject, I can confidently assert that I know more than most. I served as an active duty military police officer in the U.S. Army for ten years. In my last two years, I served on a Defense Coordinating Element (DCE) responsible for organizing DoD support for FEMA ops in the event of natural or man-made disasters. I resigned effectively, in December 2000, prior to 9/11. Up to that time, to my awareness, FEMA officials, and military supervisors were painfully cognizant of the implications of Posse Comitatus and virtually all contingency planning was conducted with such considerations...even in cases where, in my opinion, justifications for exceptions were valid.
I've been deployed to quite a few of the world's finest sh!t-holes and have been inoculated against everything from Bubonic Plague, to Japanese Encephilitas to Yellow Fever. I've never developed any symptoms greater than an itchy arm. My immunization record is far longer and more replete than my resume will ever be, and I've yet to suffer ill-effects. Should a small-pox vaccine come available tomorrow, I'd accept it, not because it was mandated, but simply, because I really don't want to contract small-pox!
You're flat out wrong. Throughout much of the Third World, hundreds of millions of people breathe, drink, and bathe in human filth. Why isn't there any smallpox in these places?
Not possible, liar. Vaccine isn't even derived from the same virus.
Do I get my Christmas kiss now?
Post a scientific study that proves that the smallpox vaccine works, quack.
You keep posting that smallpox is caused by inoculations, vaccines, and unsanitary conditions.
That is what the doctors that have delt with the disease say. I'll pay attention to them before I listen to a quack on FR that posts no facts or evidence, simply ad hominen comments..
Why, with a massive World Health Organization vaccination campaign in the unsanitary Third World in the 50s, 60s and 70s, has smallpox disappeared?
Contrary to your sordid allegations, conditions HAVE improved in the third world, and less than 10% of children in developing countries received the vaccine..
From WHO SMALLPOX ERADICATION SUCCESS RECONSIDERED
A strong challenge to this now popular view, is reflected in the post-campaign findings of medical researchers like Buttram and Hoffman: They went on to comment that with this level of coverage, the WHO campaign was not a real factor in the eradication. Data obtained in their broad based research also led them to conclude that "mass smallpox vaccination was not necessary for the eradication of smallpox.110
As we move on into the earlier part of this century we find the same dismal picture of increased susceptibility correlated with increased vaccination coverage. Dettman and Kalokerinos describe a visit they paid to the Philippines about 15 years ago: . . . We were fortunate enough to address their own medical (and) health officials where we reminded them of the incidence of smallpox in formerly "immunized" Filipinos. We invited them to consult their own medical records and asked them to correct us if our own facts and figures disagreed. No such correction has been forthcoming, and we can only conclude that between 1918-1919 there were 112,549 cases of smallpox notified, with 60,855 deaths. Systematic (mass) vaccination started in 1905, and since its introduction case mortality increased alarmingly. Their own records comment that "The mortality is hardly explainable." 112
Speaking at a 1973 environmental conference in Brussels, Professor George Dick admitted that in recent decades, 75 percent of those that have contracted smallpox in Britain, have had prior a history of vaccination. In that "only 40%" of children were vaccinated (and at most 10 percent of adults), such figures clearly indicate that the vaccinated--as in the much earlier historical record--continue to show a higher tendency to contract the disease. Dick also admitted that smallpox had been eradicated in certain tropical countries without mass vaccination.113 (Table VIII reveals that in the 16 year period preceding the year the WHO eradication campaign was launched--38 additional countries had ceased to report any smallpox cases.)114 Although smallpox is apparently now accorded to the history books, it will be necessary to re-examine the issue of this disease having been universally eradicated, with particular reference to the WHO eradication campaign. An honest look at this question is of considerable importance, as the current worldwide UCI-EPI program gains much of its legitimacy and inspiration from this widely acclaimed success story.
Most people probably credit the smallpox vaccine with playing the major role in recent eradication of smallpox throughout the world, but let us examine the facts. In the article 'Vaccines a Future in Question,' statistics showed that less than 10 percent of children in developing countries have received vaccines.
In further examining this question from a longer historical perspective, it became readily apparent that the WHO claim did not at all square with the earlier data, i.e., historical smallpox eradication efforts. If we go back as far as the last century, we discover that Creighton's independent research findings as published in the Ninth Edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, strongly contradict the effectiveness of mass smallpox immunization programs. A few revealing excerpts follow:
From DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS CONDEMN VACCINATION
"Immunisation against smallpox is more hazardous than the disease itself."
Professor Ari Zuckerman, World Health Organisation
By you're tinfoil reasoning, we should have witnessed the greatest smallpox epidemics of all time. The opposite has occurred.
Read the evidence and facts. If you think facts constitute "tinfoil" and wild unfounded allegations such as yours constitute "good science", furthur discussion with you is fruitless...
And she was more than likely innoculated against smallpox..
From VACCINATION IS OF VERY ANCIENT ORIGIN
"In 1722, Dr. Wright, a surgeon of Wales refers to inoculation against smallpox in the British Isles as ‘a very ancient custom.’ (Jenner didn’t begin his vaccinations until 1796). One William Allen, then 99 years old, said inoculation had been known and used during his entire lifetime, and he well remembered his mother stating that it had been commonly done all her life, and that she got smallpox that way.
Do I get my Christmas kiss now?
As long as you haven't had the "vaccine"...
Too late!
That's right dimwit. It is a unknown hybrid of cowpox, horsepox, and smallpox called vaccinia. It DOES cause one to be MUCH more susceptable to the disease, as it weakens the immune system and leaves one vulnerable to infection. As such, it has CAUSED massive outbreaks of smallpox throughout its history, which you'd soon see if you bothered yourself with reading the historical evidence that I have posted..
Hey bud, go get a good hefty dose if you'd like. And after your exercise in junk science and with the false assertions you've made, you have one heck of a nerve calling ANYONE a LIAR.
Is that what you do, go around FR launching personal attacks on those that present a position different than your own? You have not posted ONE bit of evidence or scientific fact here on this thread, you have only tried to smear and slander me. You are typical of what I've seen in these threads...
It was my favorite service too, The Nine Carols and Lessons, and I had to look at the Clintoons the entire time...
It was your buddy Sabertooth that pinged the Admin. I simply responded in kind...
People had thicker skins when I first signed up here.
Same here. Now it's difficult to discuss anything, as someone like Sabertooth will come along, disrupt a thread, then cry to the admin....
Smash some more sheep entrails and post some more evidence, quack.
That ain't gonna do it. Better hope exorcism works, 'cuz if that fails you're stuck with trepanning.
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