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What has happened to U.S.?
Me | 10/2/2002 | Me

Posted on 10/02/2002 7:15:37 PM PDT by UnBlinkingEye

What has happened to our image as a beacon of freedom, opportunity and the right way to live?

Much of the world fears or hates us. We have a proclaimed policy of attacking any country whose policies or regimes don't follow our dictates.

Why have we become the biggest bully in the world?


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To: Stavka2
"As for Westerners ..."

Yeah, we should all aim our pellet guns at your bunghole.

321 posted on 10/04/2002 1:02:55 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Stavka2
I hope the "old man" Texasforever has a crack at you someday. Wear a cup, boy.
322 posted on 10/04/2002 1:05:08 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
Marketing opportunity. Sell tickets.
323 posted on 10/04/2002 1:09:20 AM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: truth_seeker
Point is: Iraq is run by a socialist...Saudi Arabia by a Wahhibist cult. Iraq will not use the weapons on America, it has used them, true: first time out of desperation in the Iran War and the following times against unarmed opponent Saddam knew would not be able to strike back. In 20 years, even in the Gulf War, Saddam hasn't hit Isreal with WMD. Why? Because he is not a fanatic, he is a shrewd survivalist. He is Soviet trained, not saying that is good, but it is saying he allows Christianity and night clubs and women's rights. He used to also be a close allie for America...but like Noreaga he choose to follow his own course and instantly became enemy number one. Mean while, the US politicians climb ever deeper into the Saudi pocket, like they did the Chinese several years back.

What's the point of incrementalism when you can cut off the head right off the bat but taking out the Saudi north and giving Mecca and Medina to the Heshinites who are their historic keepers?

324 posted on 10/04/2002 1:10:38 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
There is nothing worse on FR than a fraud who lies about military honor.
325 posted on 10/04/2002 1:12:21 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
So, do you actually have anything intelligent to say or do you spend your time wasting other people's bandwidth? As far as I can see, there is only one waste of sperm on our conversation and it isn't me...care to guess who I aimed that at? You probably won't get it.
326 posted on 10/04/2002 1:12:44 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: ArneFufkin
Hay big mouth...point out and disprove one thing I've said. The only fraud here is you...making insults and being stupid. Are you 12? or 82? Lets go round for round and see who's full of Sheite...disprove something loud mouth....please.
327 posted on 10/04/2002 1:14:19 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: Stavka2
Keyes isn't a Republican and isn't a good Conservative, either. He has turned into a bombastic bloviator, who uses the race card and " victimhood, as do Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

While I like Rudy, he's not very Conservative and you obviously have extremely little factual knowledge of the man, to think that he is any different from President Bush, in being a " politician ".

328 posted on 10/04/2002 1:15:53 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: ArneFufkin
There is nothing worse on FR than a fraud who lies about military honor.

We agree.

329 posted on 10/04/2002 1:16:07 AM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Stavka2
I think you are a liar. I think you are a fraud.

Private e-mail me, I live in Minneapolis, I travel around, I'll meet with you man to man to tell you this. There are boxing gyms in every city, just funnin' and sparrin' and not feelin' you face.

You are a particularly despicable rodent on the scene.

I happen to like, respect and care about some folks you are crapping on. Like Tex.

330 posted on 10/04/2002 1:19:03 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: UnBlinkingEye
Most of the world has hated us for years. It's about time that they learned to fear us as well.
331 posted on 10/04/2002 1:20:31 AM PDT by Redcloak
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To: nopardons; Stavka2
As far as I can tell the only two good Republicans are Keyes and Guilliani...

Well, there are two names you don't see mentioned together often. This is a bit like saying the only two good chefs are Dave Thomas and Wolfgang Puck.

332 posted on 10/04/2002 1:21:14 AM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: ArneFufkin; MarMema
So in other words, you are a disrupter who has nothing else to say but make threats. What are you 16? You can't disprove one thing I've said but you are full of it. You are lucky I'm a bit more level headed, most FREEPERS would have called Abuse on a disrupter like you.

Marmema, get a load of this idiot. I should have a field day with him, but my time is a bit more valuable to waste it on the mentally unchallenged.

334 posted on 10/04/2002 1:23:32 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
No, Keyes and Rudy's names are never linked. They are a more dissimilar a pair, than I think I've seen in a long time ; if ever.

Please help me out here ... who is Dave Thomas ?

335 posted on 10/04/2002 1:25:19 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Keyes is a moral man and he is right, the US government is a corrupt cesspool of soft money and special interests. Guilliani proved he didn't take Saudi blood money. Can't say that about the rest. Two great taste that go great togather...Guilliani president...Keyes vice? A lot better then the last 14 years of oil money and special interests.
336 posted on 10/04/2002 1:25:36 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: nopardons
The founder of the Wendy's restaurant chain. (May he rest in peace.)
337 posted on 10/04/2002 1:26:16 AM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Stavka2
You call Texasforever an "old man", I'd throw you into the nearest river.

And Tex would bitch at me for doing it first.

338 posted on 10/04/2002 1:27:10 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: UnBlinkingEye; All
You know what? I will make sure that within a 100 mile radius, there will be supporters of this President and our troops. At Rally's!!

People who cannot understand what has happened, both in the past, and now, WILL NOT KILL OFF THE MORALE OF OUR FIGHTING MEN AND WOMEN LIKE PEOPLE LIKE YOU DID AFTER THEY CAME HOME FROM VIETNAM. AND BTW, THEY WERE HEARING IT WHILE IN COUNTRY TOO!! NICE HUH? WE WON'T LET YOU DO IT TO OUR TROOPS AGAIN, NOT EVER. AND IF YOU WANT TO SEE HAVOC AND CHAOS IN THE STREETS,.. JUST TRY DESTROYING THESE BRAVE YOUNG MEN AND WOMENS SPIRITS LIKE YOU DID THOSE COMING HOME FROM NAM. MAKE THE LIST OF DEAD, MIA AND POW'S BIGGER, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS WE ARE ALL BEHIND THIS EFFORT.

IN FACT, THERE "WAS" A GOOD CHANCE THAT LETTING OUR INTENTIONS BE KNOWN THAT AS A NATION WE STOOD UNITED, THAT WE WERE DONE WITH ALL THE LIES AND DECIET FROM HUSSEIN, JUST MAY HAVE PREVENTED THE DEATH AND DESTRUCTION THAT WILL HAPPEN. WHEN THEY FIGURED OUT AMERICIA WAS BEHIND THE PRESIDENT AND THE TROOPS, AND MEANT TO GET THE JOB DONE THE RESULTS PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN PEACEFUL!! Hussein would have left, gone into exile, or his own people would have turned him over. Like the soldiers giving up in droves in 1991. BUT NO.. WE NEVER LEARN IN THIS COUNTRY... NEVER. So now some are aiding and abetting the enemy. Encouraging them, just like we did the North Vietnamese.

The results when we did not support our troops in Vietnam were devestating. There were way more of our young hero's coming home in body bags, or losing limb or mind. I promise you that!! I saw it firsthand.

I stepped up during Desert Storm. Organized a HUGE rally, that even made the "CNN Rally Map",.. and we did it in the freezing snow of a winter in Alaska, Mid winter.

All of us where saying "We must never let another Vietnam happen". Meaning the worst damage and the way it happened, was by unpatriotic peaceniks not supporting our efforts, our troops and the Commander in Chief. You know, like Bill Clinton in England. (Which is where he is today trying to butt in on very important deciscion regarding internal affairs, things he doesn't even have briefings on, and things he caused and is responsible for. So there he is again, where it all started, protesting against teh United States,.. BAGHDAD BABS SHOULD BE SINGING HIM "MEMORIES").

We thought America had awakened from their long collective sleep when it comes to war. But they don't remember how the dissention and anti war rallies HURT our troops. PUT SO MANY MORE NAMES ON THE WALL,. THAN EVER NEEDED TO BE THERE!!

This President won't micro manage, he will allow the people the capabilities and resources to do it right.

We will have MORE peace, because this President was brave enough to do the right thing. Not the politically right thing, the kind that got so many of our young men and women killed,.. but the "right" thing, removing Saddam from power. Destroying all weapons of mass destruction and biological weapons. To ignore it, will just get us more of what happened on 9/11.

Peace sounds wonderful, and we want it too. But there are people with a proverbial gun at our heads,.. all of our heads. Shooting us randomly,... and there won't be "peace" again until we have him under control, EXILED.

NO MORE VIETNAMS..... HONOR our Troops, and HONOR our Commander in Chief.

I remind everyone,.. Name ONE Republican Ex-President who came out and spoke out against the policies of the Acting President and Commander in Chief when Clinton was President?? NO one did.... They understood how necessary it is for the exiting President to just fade away.. you can't have too many Indian Chiefs, it just doesn't work. But they DID understand, supporting the President, even Clinton when he was acting as commander in Chief. But then, Clinton hated the military,.. so he just doesn't get it. And in reading what he is saying.. you have to say "What the hell was he saying?" He is just words, hollow words!! Dangerously hollow words. Traitor, and guilty of treason.

Because it weakens us in the eyes of the world, it makes the President look ineffective, not in control.

I realize this is all about politics, but now is not the time. I say the behavior of the Democratic Party has sunk to the lowest of low that I've seen in my lifetime.

This will be fought in our own streets. Because the Vets you hurt long ago, by risking their lives, then not providing them with the proper equipment, or training, and MORALE SUPPORT when they came home, KILLED THEM. I mean killed them inside. And they will be out there in force, just like we will. Watch...

The Dems are making it ugly. This never happened to Clinton when he was bombing into Milosovich's bedroom, nor bombing Aspirin Factories. You didn't hear Republican Senators stopping him, or saying he was a liar.

This is a huge amount of damage already done. I feel this country being divided, and I mean in a very angry way...

Keep it up you idiots, and soon, you will have what you want. Peace.. a peace of my mind 1 inch from your face.

Same goes for Barbara Bagdahd Streisand, Susan Sarandon, Jessica Lange, Baldwin, and anyone else who would try this crap on a decent man.

President Bush is an honorable man, a good decent person. I'm sure this wasn't what he had hoped it would be either. But he has stepped upto the plate, and is doing it JUST RIGHT. THOSE IN THE KNOW, KNOW IT. I realize that isn't a concept everyone "gets". But with his administration, you can bet this one is going to be done right.

Now lets start backing the soldiers who are willing to fight under this mans leadership. To NOT do so is the epitomy of cowardly.

I leave you with a quote from John Stewart Mills:

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

~~ John Stuart Mill ~~

John Chapter 15 vs. 13;

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

339 posted on 10/04/2002 1:27:57 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Surfin
Rubbish !

What happened is that cretins, such as Carter and Clinton made the USA look weak and damaged. Really, it IS as simple as that. The rest is supperficial ( to our friends and enemies alike ) and only bother us.

As far as being a " beacon of freedom, opportunity, and the right way to live " , the last is meaningless; the first two remain as they always have. We can't keep people from trying to get here, no matter what .

340 posted on 10/04/2002 1:29:57 AM PDT by nopardons
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