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Freedom devalued Poll shows that many Americans no longer cherish their rights
Spartanburg Herald-Journal ^ | Sept. 4 ,2002

Posted on 09/04/2002 2:21:46 PM PDT by Captain Shady

Freedom devalued Poll shows that many Americans no longer cherish their rights

Congress resumed its discussions in Washington this week on a host of important issues: homeland security, whether the United States should invade Iraq, budget priorities, health care and boosting the economy.

But none of those issues and no foreign enemy poses a greater danger to this country and the way of life we have enjoyed than the attitudes expressed in a poll released last week.

The poll shows that half of Americans think that the First Amendment goes too far in guaranteeing the rights it protects.

That number has more than doubled in the past two years. Researchers have tied the change to security concerns surrounding the war on terrorism and the way the media covered the 2000 presidential election.

The annual poll is done by the Center for Survey Research & Analysis at the University of Connecticut for the Freedom Forum First Amendment Center.

Researchers found that:

“More than four in 10 said they would limit the academic freedom of professors and bar criticism of government military policy.”

“About half of those surveyed said government should be able to monitor religious groups in the interest of national security, even if that means infringing upon religious freedom.”

“Forty-two percent of respondents said the press in America has too much freedom to do what it wants.”

Are Americans willing to trade freedom for security, even the most cherished freedoms of the First Amendment?

They will be if they see these freedoms as applying only to others. And they will if they think the restrictions they favor will only apply to others.

We must remember that the First Amendment, indeed the entire Bill of Rights, protects our freedoms — yours personally.

There is no way to impinge on someone else’s religious freedom without giving up your own. There is no way to limit someone else’s ability to speak his mind without giving up your ability to sound off. There is no way to restrict the news media without giving up your right to know what’s happening.

The First Amendment and other constitutional protections are not just for others. They protect us. Their provisions and our forefathers’ willingness to fight for their preservation have made this country the beacon for freedom that it is.

We cannot now allow complacency and fear to convince us to part with those cherished values that are hated by much of the world and envied by the rest.

Americans are planning to commemorate Sept. 11. We should take the advice of Charles Haynes of the First Amendment Center and make Sept. 11 an annual “Day of Freedom,” a celebration of the uniquely American values that the terrorists attacked.

Haynes reminds us of Abraham Lincoln’s words at Gettysburg: “We here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

What better way to commemorate an attack on freedom than by committing to preserve and celebrate that freedom.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Philosophy; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: freedom; responsibility
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There can be no enduring security without freedom.
1 posted on 09/04/2002 2:21:47 PM PDT by Captain Shady
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To: Captain Shady
This is not new. Years ago long before a War on Terror a poll asked people if they supported.... then a list of freedoms was listed. A majority voted against them. They had voted against the Bill of Rights.

Most don't understand the constitution, don't know what is in it, don't know who their representatives are or Senators, don't know who the justices on the Supreme Court are.

The vast majority of Amuricans don't have a clue and are aggressively ignorant about current events, world affairs, American history.... More know about the latest bimbo starlets most recent shack up than who Dick Cheney is.

These idiots are throwing away freedoms with both hands whining all the while for more government handouts.
2 posted on 09/04/2002 2:33:34 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Captain Shady
bump
3 posted on 09/04/2002 2:50:59 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Captain Shady

Freedom entails responsibility. I'm always amused by press editorials that bemoan the fact that people are increasingly willing to see the press muzzled... this while the press itself discloses secret war plans and acts like the house organ for one political party that half of the people regularly vote against.

It's always difficult when taking a poll like this to make sure that you aren't picking up vibes that people do want to send, but that might not fit with your poll's agenda. If some pollster called me up and asked me whether I favor freedom of the press, I might say 'no' just to help throw a little scare into Howard Raines. I don't have a lot of ways to do that, so if a pollster comes by and hands me a stick, I might hit him with it just for fun.


4 posted on 09/04/2002 3:06:16 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: dubyaismypresident; Las Vegas Dave; Pontiac; conspiratoristo; GOP_Lady; dr.j'sfirst
Who are these people and why don't they go back where they came from? They obviously don't belong here
5 posted on 09/04/2002 3:19:41 PM PDT by Pontiac
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To: Captain Shady
Woman: "What kind of government have you given us, Dr. Franklin?"

Benjamin Franklin: "A republic, madam, if you can keep it."

6 posted on 09/04/2002 3:21:49 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Nick Danger
Good post, Nick. I agree. My first thought...that journalist thinks the people are being honest with him? Neighbors now greet each other over the fence with, "I hate the press!"
7 posted on 09/04/2002 3:23:29 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Just_another_man
And they'll come after you next.
9 posted on 09/04/2002 3:57:17 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: justshutupandtakeit; Roscoe; Cultural Jihad; Kevin Curry; VA Advogado; Texasforever
This is not new. Years ago long before a War on Terror a poll asked people if they supported.... then a list of freedoms was listed. A majority voted against them. They had voted against the Bill of Rights.

Most don't understand the constitution, don't know what is in it, don't know who their representatives are or Senators, don't know who the justices on the Supreme Court are.

The vast majority of Amuricans don't have a clue and are aggressively ignorant about current events, world affairs, American history.... More know about the latest bimbo starlets most recent shack up than who Dick Cheney is.

These idiots are throwing away freedoms with both hands whining all the while for more government handouts.
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This is not new. Some here, even at FR, admittedly detest the Bill of Rights. They just don't understand the constitution.

Indeed, these idiots are throwing away freedoms with both hands, whining all the while for more government.

10 posted on 09/04/2002 4:01:28 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Captain Shady
YIKES.

IDIOCY BREEDING. . . CLEARLY . . . evidently BILLDO AND SHRILLERY HAVE BEEN sc*wing around again.
11 posted on 09/04/2002 4:07:55 PM PDT by Quix
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To: All; Captain Shady; yall
We the People have granted our federal government limited powers to oversee certain things, such as national defense, interstate commerce, the postal service, the coining of money, and the operation of a court system. Most other powers now in the hands of the federal government were illegally usurped from the states and from the people.
Somehow, over the years, our guiding principles of law, as set forth in the Constitution, have been eroded to the point that the federal government now has total control -- leaving the states impotent and the people as captive servants to the federal government.
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A little FR 'poll'. -- Can everyone here give support to the agenda quoted above?
12 posted on 09/04/2002 4:16:05 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
This is not new. Some here, even at FR, admittedly detest the Bill of Rights. They just don't understand the constitution.

Yes, the libertarians do struggle like that.

14 posted on 09/04/2002 4:46:55 PM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: Just_another_man
right, I would like to see someone try and stop and invasion by SoDamn Insane with their little rifles.

You think we are in danger of an invasion? That is 'so-damn-insane' I needn't comment further.

We need the federal government to provide us with security. If you're not doing anything wrong, you should have nothing to worry about.

How weird, that you would suspect a fellow conservative of 'wrong doing'. Paranoid, are you?

I know its been said before, but it's the truth. The constituion is not a suicide pact.

Who said it was?
-- You're pretty bizarro to be just_another_jerk. -- AFholer?

15 posted on 09/04/2002 4:55:18 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: VA Advogado
I trolled for suckers, -- and you bit.
- Thanks.
16 posted on 09/04/2002 4:57:26 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Captain Shady

17 posted on 09/04/2002 4:58:03 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Captain Shady
“About half of those surveyed said government should be able to monitor religious groups in the interest of national security, even if that means infringing upon religious freedom.”

Monitoring, in itself, is not an infringment of freedom. Its how that monitoring could be used that makes it greatly infringing. If a trail of evidence of terrorist activity led up to a used auto sales company I wouldn't feel any differently about the goverment survailing it as I would a church or a mosque.

The concept of the rule of law is compatible with domestic terrorist investigation. The goverment may more and more try to convince the masses otherwise. Law is a procedure that must apply to one and all equally (enlightened jurisprudence considers us equal under the law). It may not be totaly convienient for the FBI to follow, but it is an essential part of their job description (least I hope to God it still is). If they don't follow rules, well established, they might catch some criminals, yes. And likewise a neurosurgen can relieve your headache by simply chopping off your head!

The FBI has a job to do, a job that is well defined. The fact that we are at war is irrelevant. Do you think for a moment that by wiping away the restrictive rules of search and seizure the FBI will magically be more equipted with fighting terrorism? Could unlimited power avoid massacres like ruby ridge, or waco? Oops bad snide example! bad aSkeptic! bad aSkeptic! Could unlimited power avoid 9/11 or the OCB? If the FBI can't use its limited powers effectivly, how do we expect it to use unlimited powers with any more success?

Regardless of the pitiful position we are in, in terms of security, I am of course aSkeptic of the FBI or really any survailiance body in being total control of the situation.

No matter how much someone stinks of terrorism, if he is a citizen, he has the right to a trial, before his hanging or electrocution. For if he is THAT stinky, its a slam dunk for the procecution. Why oh why don't they give slimers like pediallia (or whosyoumaycallem) a trial? Its crummy work, but its the job they swared to. Nobody said justice is easy.

18 posted on 09/04/2002 5:07:57 PM PDT by aSkeptic
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To: Dick Bachert
WoW
19 posted on 09/04/2002 5:12:45 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Nick Danger
The annual poll is done by the Center for Survey Research & Analysis at the University of Connecticut for the Freedom Forum First Amendment Center.

Good point, Nick. One has to wonder what their real agenda is. Some people wail over the supposed erosion of rights, but really the only thing being eroded today are the interpretations which some have as to what the Bill of Rights says. I fully support the 1st Amendment and see no contradiction to wanting to re-ban pornography, for instance. Images of people copulating are not protected speech, as the Founders would have agreed. The issue of tenure should be raised. We have seen far too many academics proselytise insurrection and moral-liberalism to our future leaders, and removing tenure from college professors isn't a free speech issue. Again, we see the ACLU communist types hiding behind the Constitution they abhor. You can bet that the "Center for Survey Research & Analysis at the University of Connecticut for the Freedom Forum First Amendment Center" will never raise issues about mandated politically-correct speech on campus, since it may not fit into their agenda.

20 posted on 09/04/2002 5:16:29 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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