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Justice Samuel Alito Cites ‘Old Saw About Indicting a Ham Sandwich’ in Trump Immunity Case
Breitbart ^ | 04/26/2024 | KATHERINE HAMILTON

Posted on 04/26/2024 9:36:16 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

The Supreme Court heard oral arguments on Thursday about whether former President Donald Trump is immune from prosecution on charges of attempting to overturn the results of the 2020 election, as Special Counsel Jack Smith has accused him of doing.

A majority of the Supreme Court justices appeared to agree with Trump’s attorneys’ arguments that a president does enjoy some level of immunity that continues past the term of office. Conservative Justice Samuel Alito was one of them, citing the “old saw about indicting a ham sandwich” while questioning the government’s Michael Dreeben.

“[T]his case will have effects that go far beyond this particular prosecution. So moving on to the second level of protection that the D.C. Circuit cited, federal grand injuries will shield former presidents from unwarranted indictments. How much protection is that?” Alito asked.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: alito; hamsandwich; indicting; trump
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Well how about that
1 posted on 04/26/2024 9:36:16 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I don’t know how but they’re gonna split the baby......that or kick it back down to a lower court.


2 posted on 04/26/2024 9:41:00 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

yeah Dreeben (sp?) seems to think you can trust prosecutors to be on the up and up - and the DOJ in general. laughable in today’s environment of dual system of justice.


3 posted on 04/26/2024 9:52:56 AM PDT by avital2 ("n)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

A lie is the same as a fish taken from the water and left out in the sun.

It dies quickly, then rots.

Jack Smith is thinks he can serve rotten fish to the American people.


4 posted on 04/26/2024 9:53:45 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: V_TWIN

“I don’t know how but they’re gonna split the baby......that or kick it back down to a lower court.”

That is the Delima that they face. They do not want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.


5 posted on 04/26/2024 9:55:45 AM PDT by Parley Baer (.)
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To: avital2

If prosecutors are assumed to be so trustworthy, why do we bother with trials?


6 posted on 04/26/2024 10:00:23 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Alito is clearly aware of the scam libtards are running


7 posted on 04/26/2024 10:03:54 AM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Ironic - didn’t Jack Smith get spanked for improper prosecution?


8 posted on 04/26/2024 10:05:44 AM PDT by Fido969 (Ia)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

We know a ham sandwich can be indicted. Can it be convicted?


9 posted on 04/26/2024 10:08:37 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Antifa is expecting a phone call from the White House to resolve the situation.


10 posted on 04/26/2024 10:09:46 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: ChicagoConservative27

indicting a ham sandwich


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Wachtler

Solomon “Sol” Wachtler (born April 29, 1930) is an American lawyer and Republican politician.[1] He was Chief Judge of the New York Court of Appeals from 1985 to 1992.[2] Wachtler’s most famous quote, made shortly after his appointment as Chief Judge, was that district attorneys could get grand juries to “indict a ham sandwich”.[3]


11 posted on 04/26/2024 10:17:29 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: joesbucks

News story.
Evidence is mounting against a ham sandwich alleged to have been prepared by Trump aides.

https://www.tasteofhome.com/recipes/country-ham-sandwiches/


12 posted on 04/26/2024 10:18:22 AM PDT by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls.)
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To: avital2

Alito asked Dreeben whether there are cases where a grand jury didn’t charge, even when the prosecutor pushed.

Dreeben says, “Yes, there are such cases.”

Alito says, “Well there are eclipses, too.” Meaning earth-shatteringly scarce.


13 posted on 04/26/2024 10:26:08 AM PDT by gloryblaze
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To: V_TWIN
Sure looks like that doesn't it? "Some" presidential immunity. Where will they draw the line and how subjective will it be? All legalese now attempts to codify virtually everything to reduce ambiguity and as much as possible eliminate common sense application. Good idea since common sense has died? In so doing they only complicate matters more than ever.

In my working life I dealt with many contracts. We had a standard form drilling contract back in the 70s that had been in use for ages. It was created by a committee of drilling contractors and operators. We used it onshore for a very long time without very much conflict or contention. In time though things became more litigous with new players in the mix. Relationships died, reputation became less important and many other things. The contract grew and grew and grew all the time adding clauses based on some event that some party swore to never allow to happen again. The standard contract disappeared and was replaced by a monster and individual operator general service agreements.

My late Dad, also an engineer dealing with many contracts, said they were only as good as the relationship, intentions, principals, reputation, honor and all that other ancient goody stuff of the people who signed and managed the contract. In my experience I came to say that contracts only became to form the framework for litigation between two belligerents.

These days, when it comes to legality and money I only expect people to first do what serves themselves best. Very few ever say, "You are right, I am wrong, I will make this right." Even more seldom do you hear someone say, "That is my responsibility. I will take care of your problem and report back to you soon."

14 posted on 04/26/2024 10:27:14 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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To: NWFree

Only fools are not.


15 posted on 04/26/2024 10:27:45 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance)
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To: avital2

I detect a strong element of contempt and derision in the author’s use of the term “old saw”. It’s probably one of Breitbart’s never trumper’s or rat trolls.


16 posted on 04/26/2024 10:35:27 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I read the arguments. The government’s argument was “Don’t worry, the power to indict the president or former president won’t be abused because:

1) Prosecutors are such good guys they would never be biased as hell or abuse their authority and

2) the Grand Jury could always deny an indictment (which is a complete joke. That “old saw” Alito sites is taught to you within your first week in law school - because its so obviously true)


17 posted on 04/26/2024 10:38:00 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Fido969

His record is ... sketchy.

https://americafirstpolicy.com/issues/fact-sheet-jack-smith-a-record-that-speaks-for-itself


18 posted on 04/26/2024 10:39:13 AM PDT by gloryblaze
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To: Sequoyah101

“Some” presidential immunity”

Leave the door cracked just enough to give Smith an excuse to continue to pursue this insanity.


19 posted on 04/26/2024 10:42:46 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: FLT-bird

When I think of DA’s and their integrity, I always think immediately of the Duke lacrosse case.


20 posted on 04/26/2024 10:46:58 AM PDT by cuban leaf (2024 is going to be one for the history books, like 1939. And 2025 will be more so, like 1940-1945.)
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