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Boeing: How much trouble is the company in?
BBC News ^ | March 18, 2024 | Theo Leggett

Posted on 03/16/2024 10:49:57 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

"It's as if I'm watching a troubled child" is how Captain Dennis Tajer describes flying a Boeing 737 Max.

The head of the Allied Pilots Association, the pilots union for American Airlines, insists he would never board an aircraft if it were not safe.

But he says he can no longer take the quality of the plane he's flying for granted.

"I'm at an alert status that I've never had to be in on a Boeing airplane," he says.

"Because I don't trust that they've followed the processes that have previously kept me safe on Boeing airplanes for over three decades."

Executives at the aerospace giant's shiny new headquarters in Arlington, Virginia could be forgiven for feeling like they are under siege.

Every day seems to bring more bad headlines for the company, which is coming under pressure from regulators and airlines, and has seen its reputation badly damaged.

The trouble began in January, when a disused emergency exit door blew off a brand new Boeing 737 Max shortly after take-off from Portland International Airport.

An initial report from the US National Transportation Safety Board concluded that four bolts meant to attach the door securely to the aircraft had not been fitted.

Boeing is reportedly facing a criminal investigation into the incident itself, as well as legal action from passengers aboard the plane.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


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1 posted on 03/16/2024 10:49:57 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Trouble: Every article about Boeing, that fails to mention the AFL-CIO unions’ dedication to poor self-conduct and poor craftsmanship.


2 posted on 03/16/2024 10:56:25 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: linMcHlp

I’m not aware of the quality of IAM workers. We all know that UAW workers are terrible.


3 posted on 03/16/2024 10:58:51 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

First you have to separate design and build issues from maintenance by the buyer.


4 posted on 03/16/2024 11:06:36 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: MinorityRepublican

Could this be sabotage by angry unionistas upset about some of Boeings anti-union movements....


5 posted on 03/16/2024 11:12:45 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“The trouble began in January, when a disused emergency exit door blew off a brand new Boeing 737 Max shortly after take-off from Portland International Airport.”

Huh? Is the author unaware of the Lion Air Flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 crashes due to MCAS in 2018 and 2019?


6 posted on 03/16/2024 11:16:03 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Last year I heard of a plan to make it so your average
person couldn’t expect to travel by air after around 2030.

All it will take is two or three manufacturers to come off
looking like Boeing, for the public to quit flying by choice.

I can’t help but wonder if someone found some wolk people
on the work force, and got them to help move things along.

I would think that inspection teams would have caught
something like this. It’s inexcusable for this type of
shoddy work to make it through to sales and these craft
being used to fly routes.


7 posted on 03/16/2024 11:25:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
The trouble began in January, when a disused emergency exit door blew off a brand new Boeing 737 Max shortly after take-off from Portland International Airport.

Why is the fact that this aircraft was restricted for ETOPS being ignored? There were multiple maintenance squawks on this BRAND NEW aircraft. There were multiple squawks related to pressurization warnings. Was there another warning in the cockpit that day? We will never know what the pilot discussed in her aircraft before leaving from Portland or during the flight because the cockpit voice recorder tape was oh so conveniently written over. What we do know is that when the aircraft was restricted from ETOPS flying no one in the maintenance department got to the root cause of the issue until it was too late. Gotta keep the plane flying for revenue!

8 posted on 03/16/2024 11:28:28 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals crazy!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Something is going on that does not pass the smell test. I believe that only one of the current issues with Boeing planes has been tied to Boeing itself. The rest are still under investigation and could have been caused by any number of people or things. That would be the cargo door incident.


9 posted on 03/16/2024 11:33:45 PM PDT by Revel
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To: 1066AD

It seems both are a factor on the 737 max issues.


10 posted on 03/16/2024 11:36:28 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

In 1936, the Boeing Company in Seattle, Washington, signed the industry's first labor agreement.

International president of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM), whom I recall:

1977–1989: William W. Winpisinger

- Wikipedia

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William W. Winpisinger's other memberships "inside the Beltway"


11 posted on 03/16/2024 11:37:38 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: MinorityRepublican; rlmorel; spirited irish

Quality of the IAM and UAW - AFL-CIO “workmanship”

Management is always dealing with angry, pouting, demanding Napoleons - in the form of union managers up and down the union chains of command.

“Workers” make things disappear:

- nuts and bolts
- engine parts
- panels
- wiring harnesses
- safety wire
- seals
- stamps
- tools
- structures
- gears
- grease
- instruments
- inspection gear
- lighting
- vehicles
- custom pallets
- tugs
- forms
- molds

The disappearance of parts, are “an issue” with the union, and a “white collar” manager will struggle with, or walk away from, dealing with the infernal union “shop steward” whose “job” it is to be an impassable hemorrhoid.


12 posted on 03/16/2024 11:48:20 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: MinorityRepublican; rlmorel; spirited irish

My reply 12 . . .

What the union does, is orgqnized criminal activity, legalized by the Democrat Party.

The union “soldiers” are angry, dangerous, destructive, and violent. They will threaten you, your family, your co-workers, and your friends, in addition to your property.

Everything that they can do to you, is in their training guides and manuals.


13 posted on 03/17/2024 12:04:58 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Revel
The problems with Boeing date back to the merger with McDonnel-Douglas. Oddly, McDonnel-Douglas executives ended up in charge after the merger and shifted Boeing away from excellence in aviation engineering and manufacturing to cost-cutting and outsourcing, often directed by MBAs unfamiliar with aviation and its manufacturing process.

Among other effects, Boeing lost focus and effective control over quality. One of the world's best aircraft makers seemed to forget that flying is an unnatural activity and that airplanes are innately prone to lethal trouble.

Critically, Boeing also chose to save money on its 737-MAX with an ungainly design that requires a high degree of computer control to maintain similarity with the handling of the previous 737. This led to two fatal crashes in Africa caused by peculiarities of the computer controls that Boeing's manuals and training did not properly warn against.

The recent door blow out was due to errors in manufacturing by the fuselage maker that Boeing had spun off years before. Now Boeing aims to reacquire what it once owned. This vindicates complaints and opposition by a prior generation of Boeing engineers to the McDonnel-Douglas managers.

14 posted on 03/17/2024 12:06:41 AM PDT by Rockingham (`)
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To: Rockingham; Revel; rlmorel; spirited irish
"The problems with Boeing date back to the merger with McDonnel-Douglas. Oddly, McDonnel-Douglas executives ended up in charge"

I disagree. Because, the problems date back to Phil Condit holding a seat of decision making (1997) about the corporation's fate.

Prior to that, Phil Condit was possibly OK ("satisfactory") in "white collar" leadership positions up to and including Boeing 757 production. But perhaps not "satisfactory" on the shop floor, that he wanted to get away from. And Condit was not McDonnell-Douglas.

15 posted on 03/17/2024 12:19:37 AM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Rockingham

They need to fulfill current orders for 737 Max line. Then stop accepting new orders. They need to go back to the drawing board and completely redo 737 line even if it takes them 10 years to do it.


16 posted on 03/17/2024 12:26:48 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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More than any company besides G.E., it was Boeing that was most directly shaped by Jack Welch (GE ceo). Over the past 25 years, a succession of men who worked for Mr. Welch refashioned the airplane maker’s culture to resemble G.E.’s, transforming a company that once made a priority of aeronautical engineering into one that thrived on financial engineering.

“When people say I changed the culture of Boeing, that was the intent, so it’s run like a business rather than a great engineering firm,”

Mr. Stonecipher said in 2004. “It is a great engineering firm, but people invest in a company because they want to make money.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/21/business/jack-welch-ge-ceo-behavior.html


17 posted on 03/17/2024 12:32:48 AM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: linMcHlp

DEI = DIE


18 posted on 03/17/2024 1:20:54 AM PDT by bgill
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To: MinorityRepublican

https://nypost.com/2024/03/15/us-news/boeing-whistleblower-john-barnett-made-powerful-enemies-before-alleged-suicide-workers-warn/


19 posted on 03/17/2024 2:00:06 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Budweiser trouble.


20 posted on 03/17/2024 2:12:42 AM PDT by Gaffer
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