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Why There is Never Peace Between Israel and the Palestinians-Hint: it's not about negotiations over territory.
Frontpagemagazine ^ | October 12, 2023 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 10/12/2023 6:46:11 AM PDT by SJackson

[Make sure to read Robert Spencer’s contributions in Jamie Glazov’s new book: Barack Obama’s True Legacy: How He Transformed America.]

In its analysis of the war that has begun between Hamas and Israel, CNN noted on Saturday that the Biden regime was just in the process of pressuring Israel to make a series of concessions to the Palestinians in order to further the cause of normalization of ties between Israel and Saudi Arabia. In this, both the sinister establishment media propagandists of CNN and the sinister kleptocrats of the Biden regime betrayed their fundamental failure, or refusal, to understand why there is this apparently endless conflict between Israel and the Palestinians in the first place.

CNN reported that “as recently as this week, Biden had hoped to be nearing the completion of a major agreement with Israel and Saudi Arabia to establish formal diplomatic ties, potentially transforming the entire Middle East. The expectation had been that the deal would include agreement from Netanyahu on certain concessions to the Palestinians, including potentially freezing settlements and agreeing to an eventual Palestinian state.”

The universal assumption is that freezing settlements and agreeing to a Palestinian state (which the Palestinians have previously rejected on numerous occasions) will bring peace. Yet this is not true, and the Palestinians themselves have made that clear on numerous occasions over the years. Back on Oct. 5, 2018, on “Not a Neighbor,” a program on official Palestinian Authority television, Sharia judge Muhannad Abu Rumi denounced the idea that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was about territory and could thus be subject to negotiations:

People could be deluded or think…that we have no way out with the Jews…The liberation of this land is a matter of faith, which will happen despite everyone. The Jews leaving this land is a divine decree…The war is not only over this strip of land, as you all know the Jews want everything and not just a part. They want to subjugate us, and that we be slaves to their command…

Just a week after that, during a Friday sermon at the Islamic Center of South Florida, Imam Hasan Sabri offered a succinct encapsulation of the principle of “Drive them out from where they drove you out” (Qur’an 2:191): “If a land is occupied or plundered, it should be liberated from its occupiers and plunderers, even if this leads to the martyrdom of tens of millions of Muslims.”

Sabri ridiculed the very idea of negotiations: “Take the Palestinian cause, for example. It is not being plotted against with a deal they call ‘the Deal of the Century.’ Why do they call it a ‘deal’? Because whoever is involved in this treason is not a man of principles. These are peddlers, not men with a cause. All they want are positions and jobs. That is why for them, the cause is nothing but a deal, a matter of give and take. For them, it is nothing but a deal.”

To this, Sabri contrasted the “position of a believing Muslim about the Palestinian cause,” which he characterized in this way: “That Palestine in its entirety is Islamic land, and there is no difference between what was occupied in 1948 and 1967. There is no difference between this village or that village, this city or that city. All of it is Islamic waqf land that was occupied by force. The responsibility for it lies with the entire Islamic nation, and the [Palestinians] should benefit from this land. If a land is occupied or plundered, it should be liberated from the occupiers and plunderers, even if this leads to the martyrdom of tens of millions of Muslims. This is the ruling, and there is no room for discussion or concessions.”

There is no room for discussion or concessions because of the nature of the foe as they communicate it to their people. An Egyptian Muslim cleric, Sheikh Masoud Anwar, on Al-Rahma TV on Jan. 9, 2009, also stated that negotiations with the Israelis were worthless because Jews could not be trusted. He declared: “The worst enemies of the Muslims — after Satan — are the Jews. Who said this? Allah did.” Indeed he did: it’s in the Qur’an (5:82).

Numerous Muslim clerics have for many years contradicted the general assumption that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict was over land and could be settled through negotiations. As Barack Obama pressed Israel to resume peace talks with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, in the summer of 2013, Sheikh Hammam Saeed, the leader of the Jordanian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, thundered that eradicating all Jewish presence from the Holy Land was a matter of Islamic law. He termed the idea of a negotiated settlement “heresy, according to Islamic law, because Allah says that Palestine belongs to the Islamic nation, while they say that Palestine belongs to the Jews. Anyone who says that Palestine belongs to the Jews has no place in the religion of Allah, and no room in this creed. This is an issue of heresy and belief.”

Examples of this kind of rhetoric could be multiplied endlessly. Yet in the next few days, Biden and his cohorts will demand that Israel stop defending itself and return to the negotiating table. You know, some men you just can’t reach.


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1 posted on 10/12/2023 6:46:11 AM PDT by SJackson
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2 posted on 10/12/2023 6:47:46 AM PDT by SJackson (In a war of ideas it is people who get killed.)
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Real easy. If the Palestinians have a state, they have to organize, work, and fund it. Nope! Too much work for the parasites. They have had handouts, welfare, and on the dole since 1948. They are used by the other Arab states as a distraction (and launch/staging point) for direct and indirect actions against the Jewish state. Its not about land. Its about money and leverage.


3 posted on 10/12/2023 6:48:20 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Inter arma enim silent leges! - Cicero )
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To: SJackson

4 posted on 10/12/2023 6:51:00 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: SJackson

Their proposed “two state solution” would result in a second Hamas regime to the east of Israel. Does anyone really believe that is a “peace plan”?


5 posted on 10/12/2023 6:52:01 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: DCBryan1

“Real easy. If the Palestinians have a state, they have to organize, work, and fund it. Nope! Too much work for the parasites. They have had handouts, welfare, and on the dole since 1948.”

Excellent Summation.

Egypt could give the Pal’s a significant chunk of the Sinai as a nation. The UN could finance new housing, roads, agricultural projects, port facilities, etc and it would never work out.

The rest of the Arab world, as I understand it, regards the Palestinians as trailer trash. The key here is getting the Arab world to tell the Pal’s “Ummm, you need to completely understand that that Israel is not going anywhere and more importantly, the free pipeline of money is gonna be shut off soon. It’s time you decide your future”.


6 posted on 10/12/2023 7:05:50 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: SJackson

AFTER HAMAS and the Palestinians are DESTROYED and the earth SALTED in GAZA, let some, any, or many ARAB countries should give them some land to call ho e in an ARAB COUNTRY!


7 posted on 10/12/2023 7:05:56 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: SJackson

Muslims are preditors.


8 posted on 10/12/2023 7:06:06 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: SJackson

It’s about American money. Israel has promised to give them anything they want, and it was never accepted.


9 posted on 10/12/2023 7:08:43 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: rightwingcrazy

Yes, both governments, Gaza and the “West Bank”, have to go.


10 posted on 10/12/2023 7:09:46 AM PDT by SJackson (In a war of ideas it is people who get killed.)
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To: SJackson

The so called deal is a fake.


11 posted on 10/12/2023 7:27:22 AM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: SJackson
Bottom line from the article:
Sheikh Hammam Saeed, the leader of the Jordanian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, thundered that eradicating all Jewish presence from the Holy Land was a matter of Islamic law...the idea of a negotiated settlement [is]“heresy, according to Islamic law...

He is not talking about peaceful relocation. Wake up American, wake up civilized world, this is what genocide looks like.

12 posted on 10/12/2023 7:44:23 AM PDT by frog in a pot (Open borders are a very cost-effective and certain way to dilute a nation's culture. )
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To: FreedomPoster
All of the much vaunted leaders of the Western Civilization refuse, and adamantly reject, the reality of this situation.

The proffered rationale for this ongoing, 1,300 year wave of violence is 'merely a land dispute.'

The very real bloody, emotional, and fervent reason that our atheistic leaders fail to acknowledge is - Religious War!

The Muslims are are in a constant state of Religious War against everything non-Muslim.

PERIOD!

13 posted on 10/12/2023 8:26:51 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is already under the tent.)
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To: SJackson
The reason is that 'Palestinians' have never agreed to a two-state solution, which would be required for peace in the region.

There has NEVER been a state of Palistine. The region was part of the Ottoman Empire for 500 years before it was won by Britain during WW1. During WW1 Britian promised the Palestinians a homeland in the region for their support against the Ottomans. But at the same time in the Balfour Declaration the British offered the Jews a homeland with Jerusalem as a capital.

So the British offered the region to two different groups as a homeland. Things got much worse in the 30's when the NAZIs came to power and MANY more Jewish moved to the area.

In 1937 the Peel Commission worked to resolve the problem and create two seperate states - Isreal and Palistine. The Palistinians refused to take part, or accept a second state of Isreal.

In 1947 the UN put forth a 2 state Partition plan, which again the Palestinians refused to accept. When Isreal accepted it and declared an independent state of Isreal, the Palistinians and Arab countries immediately declared war. Isreal win that war and an armistice was signed that gave them control of additional territory.

As other Arab countries have accepted the two state solution, Palistinians and Iran steadfastly refuse. There ahe main reason for this is theological. They believe in a worldwide Muslim Caliphate and how can that happen if they allow Isreal to exist?

There can be no peace the region until all parties agree to a two-state solution. And that will never occur while hard-core Muslin extremists believe and push for a global Caliphate, which a state of Isreal denies.
14 posted on 10/12/2023 10:02:32 AM PDT by MMaschin (The difference between strategy and tactics!)
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To: SJackson

its verry simple Islam at its core is rotten. The rot is 13th century tribalism.


15 posted on 10/12/2023 10:06:04 AM PDT by PCPOET7 (`)
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To: MMaschin

“There can be no peace the region until all parties agree to a two-state solution. “

Native Americans in the United States can speak to the equity of the “two state solution”. Once side gets the good land . The other side gets the bad land the side with the good land does’t want. The result is perpetual poverty for the side with the bad land.


16 posted on 10/12/2023 10:15:24 AM PDT by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on )
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To: SJackson

Simple: Islam says to kill anyone not a muslim; Jews and Christians alike.

Israel is a small part of the middle east, so it is attacked.

There are no Christian nations in the middle east, but Christians when found are attacked by muslims.

See? Simple.


17 posted on 10/12/2023 10:17:19 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: MplsSteve
there are bigger forces going on and for all we know, it could simply be that so much money is being made in armaments by both sides ,why make peace when war is so profitable....

plus the fact that our tax money is being secreted to "help" Israel which shockingly IMO ends back in the hands of American politicos....

18 posted on 10/12/2023 10:22:38 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Soul of the South

Who do you think are the “native Americans”? The Jews or te “Palistinians”? The correct answer is neither. The analogy of Europeans taking over the Anericas to what is happening in Judea is not a good one.


19 posted on 10/12/2023 4:16:34 PM PDT by MMaschin (The difference between strategy and tactics!)
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To: SJackson

Genesis 16:12 New International Version

He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”


20 posted on 10/12/2023 7:06:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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