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Colliding Photons Were Spotted Making Matter. But Are The Photons ‘Real’? (Light Making Matter)
Science News Magazine ^ | 9-13-2021 | Emily Conover

Posted on 09/13/2021 1:50:19 PM PDT by blam

In a demonstration of Einstein’s E=mc2, collisions of light yielded electrons and positrons "

Collide light with light, and poof, you get matter and antimatter. It sounds like a simple idea, but it turns out to be surprisingly hard to prove.

A team of physicists is now claiming the first direct observation of the long-sought Breit-Wheeler process, in which two particles of light, or photons, crash into one another and produce an electron and its antimatter counterpart, a positron. Like a discussion from an introductory philosophy course, the detection’s significance hinges on the definition of the word “real.” Some physicists argue the photons don’t qualify as real, raising questions about the observation’s implications.

Predicted more than 80 years ago, the Breit-Wheeler process had never been directly observed, although scientists have seen related processes, such as light scattering off of light (SN: 8/14/17). New measurements from the STAR experiment at Brookhaven National Laboratory’s Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider match predictions for the elusive transformation, Brookhaven physicist Daniel Brandenburg and colleagues report in the July 30 Physical Review Letters.

“The idea that you can create matter from light smashing together is an interesting concept,” says Brandenburg. It’s a striking demonstration of the physics immortalized in Einstein’s equation E=mc2, which revealed that energy and mass are two sides of the same coin.

Whether the observation truly qualifies depends on whether the photons are considered “real,” as demanded by the Breit-Wheeler process, or “virtual.” In particle physics, virtual particles are ones that appear only for brief instants and don’t carry their normal masses.

Photons from a commonplace source of light, like a lightbulb or a laser, are real, physicists agree. But the bona fides of Brandenburg and colleagues’ photons are up for debate. That’s because the light the team is colliding comes from

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KEYWORDS: light; matter; photon; photons; physics; science
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To: blam
Colliding Photons Were Spotted...

I wanna see evidence that those tiny things are actually spotted

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21 posted on 09/13/2021 2:37:35 PM PDT by repentant_pundit (http://www.LibertyLifeboat.org)
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To: repentant_pundit
No solid evidence of spotted...

Scottish Variant

...or plaid.

22 posted on 09/13/2021 2:41:49 PM PDT by null and void (No jab/no job = Only the compliant can work, they won't spread dangerous ideas around the workplace!)
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To: blam

I don’t think it’s that outrageous. Pair-production has been a known atomic process since 1948. Pair-production is a process where a photon generates an electron and a positron near an atomic nucleus.


23 posted on 09/13/2021 2:42:29 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: CodeToad

I never thought of it that way.


24 posted on 09/13/2021 2:43:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (There's more to fear from a plandemic, than a pandemic...)
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To: blam

I played with humor on this thread. Will try to do less of
that on these types of threads. I know it’s somewhat
disruptive.


25 posted on 09/13/2021 2:44:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (There's more to fear from a plandemic, than a pandemic...)
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To: AndyJackson
So, for instance to make an electron - positron pair out of vacuum requires at least the rest mass energy of two electrons which is 2 x 511 keV [measuring mass as energy per Einstein's E=mc2 formula and measuring energy in electron volts, which is usual in high energy physics].

That's just the way my Granny always did it and all she had was a wood stove and kerosene lamps!

26 posted on 09/13/2021 2:55:46 PM PDT by OSHA
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To: Bishop_Malachi
Yeah...I thought matter to energy was a one-way street...no converting it back.

Photons can be converted to matter. It is called "pair production" or a "Compton pair." The total mass of the particles produced must be less than the E/c2, where E is the energy of the photon.

One of the things that is a consequence of Einstein's famous equation is that "mass-energy" is conserved; mass and energy separately are not conserved, at least under the general conditions of the universe. Under conditions of ordinary life, deviations from the "conservation of mass" and "conservation of energy" are so minute that they are not noticeable.

Most of the mass of anything is not mass due to the presence of matter, it is the mass of the energy that binds together the quarks within the protons and neutrons in every atomic nucleus of which the object is composed. That's something like 99% of the apparent mass of any object, including yourself.

27 posted on 09/13/2021 3:05:49 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: Steely Tom

Well, my quarks can just knock it off with the dang FAT!! Stupid quarks.


28 posted on 09/13/2021 3:08:56 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: AndyJackson
The article states "making matter", which can't be done.

Transform maybe, but not make.

29 posted on 09/13/2021 3:11:23 PM PDT by knarf
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To: OSHA

And Granny always knows best. Don’t argue with Granny.


30 posted on 09/13/2021 3:11:28 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: knarf

Oh for crying out loud. Per the usual definition matter is something that has mass. You make an electron and positron, which have mass, out of the collision of two photons which have no mass. So you created matter.


31 posted on 09/13/2021 3:13:16 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: blam

“Energy cannot be created or destroyed;
it can only be changed from one form to another.”
(Albert Einstein).


32 posted on 09/13/2021 3:14:58 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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To: blam

“Einstein’s equation E=mc2 . . .”

The Origin of the Equation E = mc2

By Harry Hamlin Ricker
John Chappell Natural Philosophy Society
May 23, 2015

Because the issue of the source of this equation keeps coming up, here is a quick discussion of the origin of the famous formula, incorrectly attributed to Einstein. Thanks to Robert Sungenis for providing this.

Contrary to popular opinion, E = mc2 did not originate with Einstein. As van der Kamp reveals:

https://www.naturalphilosophy.org/site/harryricker/2015/05/23/the-origin-of-the-equation-e-mc2/


33 posted on 09/13/2021 3:19:04 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: AndyJackson

34 posted on 09/13/2021 3:21:36 PM PDT by knarf
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To: blam

Photons or waves? Waves of what? I thought light, radio waves, gamma rays and x rays were the same phenomenon?

Terms need to be defined before proceeding.


35 posted on 09/13/2021 3:26:09 PM PDT by I want the USA back (There's nothing in the Constitution that allows the government to become fascist. )
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To: A Navy Vet
The case for the existence of dark matter relies on a wealth of observations that indicate the visible universe shows more gravitational force at work than can be accounted for by known forms of matter. So far, more than a century after the issue was first identified, the dark matter problem remains. Suggestions that our observational data or understanding of gravity are wrong have so far not been validated.

Dark energy gets at a different problem raised by our observations of the universe. On the cosmic scale, there seems to be extra energy that is counteracting gravity, with the universe expanding more and faster than we can otherwise explain.

There are many new theories that try to explain gravity but none have gained general acceptance. Newton's characterization of gravity as a force of unexplained origin remains the practical benchmark. Thus we can explain fairly well how gravity works but not how and why it exists. Crucially, we cannot yet mesh gravity and relativity with quantum mechanics.

As for the existence of the universe itself, a new trend is trying to develop a theory that mathematically explains consciousness and unifies it with matter. Some physicists are embracing the point that quantum mechanics is so intertwined with consciousness that, in terms of philosophy, modern physics regards matter as pan-psychic.

Remarkably, Edgar Allen Poe wrote and published an essay that projected as much and that the universe began in a single moment of creation, with consciousness existing before matter. Poe's writing helped inspire the physicists who first developed the big bang theory.

With dramatic popular accounts discarded, physicists see the big bang as not so much a massive explosion but as more like a balloon rapidly expanding into utter nothingness. And if Judaism and Christianity are correct, all matter arose from the consciousness of a Creator. Nowadays physicists seem less and less inclined to insist otherwise.

36 posted on 09/13/2021 3:52:18 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Theo
On the very first day God created only one thing: light.

In the Beginning, there was nothing.
And then God said, "Let there be light."
And there was still nothing, but now you could see it.
37 posted on 09/13/2021 4:09:31 PM PDT by Colinsky
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To: null and void

How clever🙂


38 posted on 09/13/2021 4:10:34 PM PDT by telescope115 (Proud member of the ANTIFAuci movement. )
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To: blam

Great news! The first step to a Star Trek replicator!


39 posted on 09/13/2021 5:23:41 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals)
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To: Steely Tom

“...it is the mass of the energy that binds together the quarks within the protons and neutrons in every atomic nucleus of which the object is composed.”

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Just curious (because I’m a total layman when it comes to science)....but it’s the quarks proper that interact with the Higgs Field, right? Doesn’t that “give” the particle its Mass? How do the bonds between quarks/particles have any impact? I’ve tried to watch videos explaining it, but they get pretty darn confusing.


40 posted on 09/13/2021 5:31:05 PM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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